like the optics osf system that are made by thales uk or the parts of spectra that are made by thales USA ?
it was posted before that the swedes are doing the integrating hardware of aesa onto the backend
i guess you want links ?
the thales usa is linked on key
i’ll have to google thales optics uk to find what i read
Interesting authors of the report, BTW: two from Thales Netherlands, one from SAAB Microwave.
you will probably find that it is “Thales Netherlands” that are doing the aesa, i know the swedes are also doing work on the aesa hardware interface
multi-national companies are just that
lets backtrack a bit
in reply to your post #896 on the last page was,
Das Kardinal #897
The logical meaning of Silvy’s quote amounts to the UAE wanting even more interleaving modes (probably having to do with adding GMTI-GMTT) than the RBE2 already has. Not “hurr hurr the RBE2 doesn’t have any mode interleaving, durr hurr !”
jackjack #898
the interleaved refers to the GMTI/TT that UAE want is how i read it too, its not track while scan for example and what i think he is trying to say that it has GMTI/TT, which it doesnt
you didnt correct your post and say you didnt mean GMTI/TT and continued with the point about interleaved, which in my post i acknowledged it does have some
hotdog
i missed the point of your post, can you expand on what you mean
i think you meant that they choose another aircraft, the uae have political ties with uae and usa wont approve fitting long range weapons like the french will
israel is buying LRIP, they are also a non-partner, so the price is dearer than the full production f-35a and for the partners too
the article is wrong about the inclusion of specific Israeli systems, as they are delivered standard with local threat library
the next order they are talking about Israeli weapons and maybe EW, but this will be an all partner decision, as far as i understand the MOU
glitter, you said that they have GMTT / GMTI interlacing/interleaved, give a link
as i will give a link to where i got the 2 year no french rafale order from if you want,
it is good news that the general said that its 10+ regardless for next year, i missed that bit
now you’re just spinning, give better information than that if you want to make your point, that i think just refers to getting aesa
its not the extreme case, its the plans now, i quoted the french general that they are building 2-3, if you have a creditable quote that refutes this, give it
the only way the line will stay open in a few years is if there are export orders or it will shut for 2 years, is the statement i saw
EDIT, @Ero_Senin
ok, they may have changed it, as this is a recent interview
i’ll try and find the 2 years no rafales for france regardless and see what it said
got a link that it was done years ago ?
regardless whether they get export orders or not, are only building 2-3 a year for france for a few years and then having a 2 year stopped french production, is the statements
you’re right, the interleaved refers to the GMTI/TT that UAE want is how i read it too, its not track while scan for example and what i think he is trying to say that it has GMTI/TT, which it doesnt
there are plans for an aesa modes upgrade in 2020+ when they move to the f4
the sensible thing is to do it now and give the modes that other manufactures have as standard
but it all comes down to money and it seems they have trouble enough just financing to build them
as the general said, they are only going to build 2-3 french rafales a year for a while, its also been said that then there will be a 2 year period where no rafales will be built for france, even if there isnt an export order
Someone doesn’t have their facts right. RBE2 PESA already has interlacing between air and ground modes.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3126/is_677_59/ai_n29139901/
you dont mind if i take the 2010 interview with general Alain SILVY Deputy Chief French Air Force over a 2004 blog, do you ?
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1625017&postcount=804
What the Emirians are calling for is much more complex.
They want, in addition to the AESA, to have new functionalities on their Rafale,
such as GMTT / GMTI detection and tracking of moving ground target, interlacing between air/air and air/ground modes, etc..
I think the article jj qouted was referring to the RBE2 AESA — presumably the AESA software would be different from the software driving the PESA therefore one can imagine a situation where the RBE2 PESA has such a functionality whereas the RBE2 AESA does not (yet).
I may be wrong of course.
the software is the same for pesa and aesa, its just a different antenna going by dassault and that they demoed aesa with yank antenna in singapore
there is a f4 plan to upgrade both the rbe2 and spectra to 5T 2020+
my take on it now is that the aesa will be the same in function and modes that they have now according to the french airforce in 2010 the rbe2 doesnt have the a2a and a2g modes UAE want and arent up to grade
the link said they have the same modes as the 1996 rbe2
we are in joint partnership with norway on the implementation of the NSM
we have 12 delivered with one held back indefinitely in usa to play with
the next 12 should be wired as growlers
here is an article on our SH, we seem to be happy with jamming but EA needs to be worked on
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/05/27/342496/australia-impressed-by-super-hornet-performance.html
from what i have read
with the f-35 we are getting 3 x 24 with the last 24 being decided in ~2025 when we have, probably the first 24 as a dedicated training squadron and sell the fa-18f back to the states
and we will have UCAV in 2025+ to work with the f-35
well it seems dassault and the french airforce arent good enough and fanboy dreams are better
general Alain SILVY Deputy Chief French Air Force is quite clear on the limitations of the rafale
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1625017&postcount=804
What the Emirians are calling for is much more complex. They want, in addition to the AESA, to have new functionalities on their Rafale, such as GMTT / GMTI detection and tracking of moving ground target, interlacing between air/air and air/ground modes, etc..
the only way to achieve the 10% range increase is a big boost to the power of the radar.
But more power to the RBE2, could it be a risk to generate serious electromagnetic interference (EMI) with the SPECTRA receptors ?
The Emirati experts participating in negotiations are well aware of the problem. But they are also used to have very high quality weapons systems. They want to avoid any regression with the Rafale, at least on the radar range, compared to the F-16 Block 60
http://www.airtalk.org/image-vp113192.html
However, Dassault and Thales are not proposing to make the AESA the all-encompassing RF Cuisinart that Boeing envisages for the Super Hornet, with features such as passive detection, multi-beam operation and jamming. Nor does the team intend to exploit the AESA’s wide bandwidth
the approach is to minimise cost and risk by keeping the same modes as the RBE2,
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i have said several times, there is nothing wrong with rafale that money wont fix and its been a waste of a good plane
both the 2005 and 2010 say similar things, and i agree its software if the hardware is current tech, this has not been shown though and i wonder about the sensitiviity on recieve as the yanks arent cranking up power to get range
if fact they are doing the opposite and working in background EMS
the 2010 states clearly UAE want it to be better
What the Emirians are calling for is much more complex. They want, in addition to the AESA, to have new functionalities on their Rafale, such as GMTT / GMTI detection and tracking of moving ground target, interlacing between air/air and air/ground modes, etc..
the only way to achieve the 10% range increase is a big boost to the power of the radar.
But more power to the RBE2, could it be a risk to generate serious electromagnetic interference (EMI) with the SPECTRA receptors ?
The Emirati experts participating in negotiations are well aware of the problem. But they are also used to have very high quality weapons systems. They want to avoid any regression with the Rafale, at least on the radar range, compared to the F-16 Block 60
the 2005
However, Dassault and Thales are not proposing to make the AESA the all-encompassing RF Cuisinart that Boeing envisages for the Super Hornet, with features such as passive detection, multi-beam operation and jamming. Nor does the team intend to exploit the AESA’s wide bandwidth
have you actually read an article on the apg-79, its not just a radar its far more than that
i am more than happy to read your links that support you in increased modes etc
as i said from what i have read, the main time problem was investing in and getiing EU modules for draama which came about 2006-8 ? cant remember the right date
.. 200m isnt a large amount
..swapping computer modules to current ones isnt rocket science either
..thales would have done work on the software too
but we are getting side tracked, UAE still find rbe2 and spectra lacking going by the other two links above and whats been posted about the UAE requirements