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  • in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #3, Cachorro-quente! #2390767
    jackjack
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    “Each days worth its duty” as we say here.

    Yet we know now for almost certain that in the real world the Eurofighter got ‘scrubed’ in almost every area by the Rafale, even in AA – WWR and BVR – according to Captain Romain lately.

    For now the F35 is just a bit more than a paper plane in the sens it actually takes of with a lot of difficulties…

    Another comunication bubble to propose?

    yes the EF was scrubbed for not having a2g development in a few comps

    keep telling people about the victories because you would waste your time telling governments and air forces
    ps
    the f-35 is a composite not paper, although it may have a cellulose layer

    jackjack
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    its early days, they need other partners with IP to contribute and 3rd party suppliers
    its based on the korean t-50 trainer
    indo is becoming a government stable democracy and this would fit their budget and need

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #3, Cachorro-quente! #2390799
    jackjack
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    or was dassault just clever enough to know they got so badly scrubed in the aussie comp twice, the second time when they tried again a few years later, that they wanted to save face going up against the f-35 again

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390810
    jackjack
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    maus92
    the electrical power out the f35b will be harder than the f-35c, which would be my choice

    @ cola
    yes the t2 was wrong, it was the t3 he said was 58-59m, i guessed he was talking pounds and not euro’s as we were talking UK and said ~60m pound, it obviously wasnt the 67m pound contract price
    ~ = about
    ok, all you need to do is a NETMA link to your claim of 42m

    A figure that would place the Eurofighter’s per-plane flyaway cost for the RAF at about GBP 61.5 million,
    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-2006-saudi-shopping-spree-eurofighter-flying-off-with-10b-saudi-contract-updated-01669/

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2390818
    jackjack
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    as i said, they are putting an aesa antenna on the 90’s rbe2 backend and the swiss are doing most of the integration work
    through thales and their associates, if you gave the money i’m sure they would come up with a good radar, in fairness they havent been given the money

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390824
    jackjack
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    i never said it was, i was pointing out the 67m pound as the 112 group price and i have asked you to see if you can find the contract as my google foo isnt good in german

    ps
    are you still celebrating the world cup ?

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #3, Cachorro-quente! #2390839
    jackjack
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    News
    Purchase of Rafale by Brazil: France expects an announcement by Lula in July

    congratulations, he has shown over the last 11 months that he’s a man of his word
    when do you get the cheque but would cash be safer ?

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390845
    jackjack
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    LOL read my post again

    and just so this doesnt get lost in the pages of nonsense that will follow, this was the 3a contract
    9b/112 EF’s= 80m euro or 67m pound or us$100

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390856
    jackjack
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    read my post again, i even gave a link

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390886
    jackjack
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    Well, Mr.John Lake is an aircraft journalist and you’re, well nobody, if it comes down to matter of authority.
    Further, the article you’ve been quoting doesn’t mention flyaway price in the single word, nowhere.
    How have you managed to conclude that program price equals flyaway price??
    Can you read?
    Again, produce one document that claims EF’s flyaway price of £60m.
    Yes we’ve been down this road before, but you still haven’t learned the difference between flyaway and other costs, so how about making yourself useful and learn basic topic’s parameters before trying to look smart.

    For EF, $140m is a program price (the one that F35’s LRIP models cost ~$245m in 2009)

    arguing with you is fun, the uk price for their test/LRIP f-35b is 126m as shown with link in the last few pages, so your 245m is an old price
    i got 59m from scorpion for t-3a and rounded it to 60m pound
    which sounds like a flyaway if the contract was for 67m pound
    but by all means put up a creditable link to prove your point on the flyaway, as i’m not making a direct claim as i havent even looked at an EF contract
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1610218&postcount=307

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390893
    jackjack
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    maus92
    that seems a fair assessment, only thing i’d add is the ea-18g can carry 5 pods, the same as the ea-6
    the reason the marines dont want to go fa18/ea18g is because they wont get the f-35 is as many numbers

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2390928
    jackjack
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    Mr.John Lake reported RAF receiving T2 EFs in 2009 for a £37.76m per plane, which is today about $50m, but was somewhat more in 2009 due weaker Dollar.
    This is a flyaway price, of course, but can you actually produce a source which says that EF costs £60m, apart from Wikipedia estimation??
    (which BTW ranges from €63m to £69.3m, meaning the author doesn’t have a clue)

    mr lake can say what ever he wants to, the 60m pound came from the last couple of pages, we have been down this street before, there are lots of prices floating around for the EF, as there are for other planes

    here is one
    9b/112 EF’s= 80m euro or 67m pound or us$100

    here is another from the same page
    the Eurofighter’s cost of $100-140 million each could make for tough sledding against F-35s

    if you want to be useful, look up the contract to see about radar and whats in and whats out

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Eurofighters-EUR-9B-Miltinational-Tranche-3A-Contract-05674/
    On July 31/09, NETMA (NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency), Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH and EUROJET Turbo GmbH signed the Tranche 3A contract, a EUR 9 billion (about $12.96 billion) order for 112 aircraft and 241 EJ200 engines (224 engines to equip 112 planes, plus 17 spares). This new contract also sets the baseline for subsequent support contracts.

    An August 30/09 article in the Financial Mail, meanwhile, reports Eurofighter GmbH targets of 300 Eurofighter Typhoon sales to 10 countries over the next decade.
    With that said, the Eurofighter’s cost of $100-140 million each could make for tough sledding against F-35s whose production quantities are likely to create prices in the $80-100 million range, and F/A-18 Super Hornets that can be sold for $70-90 million. Selling 300 aircraft will be challenging – and with existing operators interested in selling some of their aircraft, even an export win or 2 may not change the Eurofighter’s overall production numbers.

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2391183
    jackjack
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    the price started about 200m for the f-35 Test/LRIP
    the production f-35a will be ~$60m in yr 2010 dollars
    the price does go down as it goes on, then inflation out paces the the tuning of production savings and the price starts to rise, as it is with most planes
    the main thing as i see it is to use the same yr dollars, secondly is to take into account a well mature production cost against the new boy, as i see it

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2391382
    jackjack
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    ww, the piece i posted was all from the BBC, it was a direct copy and paste of the opening lines. There was no comment attached to it.

    For somebody who likes to claim balance it is rather strange that you immediately feel you have to post a piece you claim is more “pertinent.”
    This rather gives the impression you feel the need to counter the BBC article; did you even read it? It is overall rather positive.
    I also notice that you focus on only the opening line of the BBC article, which to be balanced and fair is entirely accurate, but hey lets attempt to dismiss the facts by saying something else is more “pertinent.”
    It’s also worth noting that you’ve chosen to selectively quote only positive elements of the article you offered us. There are a few other elements in the article that you chose not to highlight.

    Emperor and clothes etc.

    Your claims of balance are still looking rather wobbly.

    the claims are solid
    well the author didnt say where he got his numbers from because his estimate of 70m GBP / $107.6m USD might include other things
    the purchase of the 2 UK Test LRIP is $126m each now, so the production price should be less than $107m for the f-35b

    but even worse case scenario, it is 70m pound flyaway
    the T2 EF is ~60m pound and T-3a would be dearer
    and only a fool would say ef is better value

    in reply to: F-35 news thread II #2391440
    jackjack
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    wrightwing
    i’m on your side, flyaway is the only price that can be compared and even that has to be closely looked at

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