tmor, you’re funny, its not just “a” source… IT’s Dassault themselves
it seems when the fanboys dont want to accept something, even dassault isnt good enough :diablo:
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fileadmin/user_upload/redacteur/AUTRES_DOCS/Fox_three/Fox_Three_nr_8.pdf
Designed from the outset to deploy an electronically scanned radar, the Rafale is equipped with the RBE2 radar from Thales. In production since 1997
the upgrade to the active antenna simply involves replacing the tube transmitter and passive electronic scanning antenna with active modules.
i take offense to your ascertain that i bring lies, it seems the only lies are from the fanboys
general Alain SILVY Deputy Chief Plans within the Staff of the French Air Force is quite clear on the limitations of the rafale
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1625017&postcount=804
further
http://www.airtalk.org/image-vp113192.html
to anyone, these links show i have given the truth and the fanboys are spewing BullS*it
where did you read that ?
but i agree the last 15 yrs of a planes life are the dearest in maintainence compared to the first 15
they are looking at the f-35 for around 2020
from the defpro link
As a Defence Ministry official told defpro.com, both MLU phases (the first roughly valued at some €300 million and the second at about €700 million) have almost been completed. The Finnish pilots will be provided with a much greater flexibility, situational awareness and scope of actions with their upgraded aircraft and will be ready to meet the Air Force’s requirements for the next ten to fifteen years until a suitable replacement has been found and introduced.
to buy a mature platform, you miss out some crusial point:
they dont evolve as much in capabilities in the future (are at the top of there lifespan capability)
they tend to be out of date earlier
they dont leave much for the countries own industry exept assemblyLook at the finnish AF for example. There F/A-18 they bought instead of gripen A is now possible about to be replaced. The platform was mature and on the shelf at the time, but lived only for 20 years.
this has just been released
http://www.defencetalk.com/finland-to-upgrade-f-18-hornet-fighter-aircraft-27983/
The Finnish Defence Forces are preparing to spend more than a billion euros in the upgrading of its fleet of F-18 Hornet jet fighters.
The US-built planes are at about the halfway point of their effective lifespans. The upgrade is set to extend their usefulness so that new fighters would not be needed before 2025. Nevertheless, the Finnish Air Forces is looking at other possible jet fighters on the market.
here is a more detailed link
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/633/
thales statement is 30-50% increase, as posted in the last few pages
100km for 3 sqm is the most accepted from what i have read
usa class 5 sqm as their measurement, so you need to adjust
going by scorpions post as well, it would be between 150-180km at a 3 sqm target with a 50% increase
thats a tracking range, not a targeting range
seems self explanatory
“Nor does the team intend to exploit the AESA’s wide bandwidth,
which would mean a new radome”
there are statements that rafales wont have jamming for a start, there has been no statements of more modes, just that the sar mode will be 1 sqm. i’ve also seen sub 1 sqm, so thats still to be clarified
do you have anything that is worth reading, you must have formed your view from somewhere ?
I agree on the lending of carrier bit – though Jane’s is usually reliable – but the author seems clear that the pilots are getting full training rather than just a taste of large deck operations which is fairly normal occurrence. Obviously you cannot read to much into the article as it might be as JackJack says so that they can learn to handle supersonic fighters (though you think the RAF might let them have go on the Tornado 🙂 ) – and if UK was going CATOBAR you would expect that the deck crew would be off in the states as well learning how to operate in a CATOBAR environment.
spot on, we have a winner
the phoons dont handle like the f-35b, the fa-18 is close
they didnt have the modules and had to invest and wait for them
the advance modes seem to be put on hold for the rafale, going on whats been said
thales themselves will be developing future radar tech, as has been said, they want to try and get gripen and phoon as customers for their aesa
also Thales group isnt just frances tech, each in country thales has its own game
thales australia is firewalled from france
Well does the APG-79 offer jamming functions right now?
What are each radars operating frequencies?
What do you mean is the purpose of DRAAMA programme (advanced modes active antenna radar demonstrator) launched in July 2004?
Already the current RBE2 PESA can interleave AA and AG modes (TF/TA & AA)!I’m just surprised that GMTI/T hasn’t been implemented yet as well as NCTR.
the EA isnt up to speed yet, but the jamming seems ok
dont know, i was quoting a french site
that was tmor and draama, also the french site i gave the link to
the modes of the rbe isnt any where near the apg-79
From 2010 A&C about RBE2 AESA :
-The power processing has been dramatically increased with 4 new calculators.
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Yeah, same backend indeed.
if you think uprating computers changes the algorithms and function, i dont know what to say, its still the old backend
the rafale did the same with their onboard computers they use from a notepad? to the faster, but its a dead end as they arent being made any more and so wont be able to further upgrade
i heard that was to give them experience flying fast jets like the f-35b will handle like, they are subsonic in the harrier and not at all similar in handling
i think and said earlier in this topic, this is where this rumor came from
no, you have me wrong, this point is that the aesa antenna is put on the old backend of the RBE2
if the rbe2 backend was a modern full function, it would be great
the modes and function of the rbe2 is another issue and fall short of the apg-79, i gave the simple thing of single and multibeam, bandwidth and jamming, but that just the start of it
i dont think they have read what the apg-79 will do
i dont see it as a cost issue, perhaps a time issue given they have 3 models to build and 4 will be that bit harder for now
but i come back to we are getting all A’s and not pushing for a 2 seat, so we must be happy enough with what the f-35 can do with a single seat
nocutstoRAF
well it seems those who have the f-35 info dont feel the same, although there is talk about using the f-35b and putting a second seat where the fan is
i myself thought a 2 seat was what aussies should have, as we are very strong in the f111 and fa-18b+ with this in our CONOPS and as i said all our SH are 2 seat F’s
we use the fa-18 and all our SH are F’s so i’m not disagreeing with what he is saying about the fa-18’s and wizzards/wizzo [wso]
but i do think they have decided on the f-35 with solid reasons
well they have made up their minds and the f-35 is it, no super hornets
if he had access to why they decided that about the f-35, he could probably say “sweet” no wonder they did