jackjackit was never agreed uk will get the core code [like windows xp core code] but they will get the developers code [like modem or printer software that will plug and play]
as i said aussies and norway are writing software now and i guess UK is too
jackjackyes its much like the rafale’s ground hugging radar that is height limited at this times still, so it seems
at least you wont have the concern of aesa jamming with its new radar, rafale isnt getting it todate, although it technically could in a future upgrade
jackjackThanks Spudman, now we know not only that isn’t in service at the moment but also when approximately it will actually happen. I’m not surprised many people are taken in by the myth that EA is available today, plenty of sources are extremely ambiguous and industry representatives are certainly doing nothing to clarify misinterpretations to that effect. It seems the only hope of getting somewhat reliable info is to turn to the end users (USN/RAAF)!
yes, it looks like my belief from what i read was wrong
its lucky we decided to get a dozen of them wired as ea-18g’s conversion
jackjackhttp://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKGEE5B617P20091207
LONDON, Dec 7 (Reuters) – Britain is confident it will receive software code that controls Lockheed Martin Corp’s (LMT.N) new radar-evading F-35 fighter jet, despite the United States’ insistance that it will keep the data to itself.
“The Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is progressing well and the UK currently has the JSF data needed at this stage of the programme, and is confident that in future we will continue to receive the data needed to ensure that our requirements for operational sovereignty will be met,
This remains the basis of the agreements reached with the U.S. in 2006″
Britain’s Ministry of Defence said in a statement sent to Reuters on Monday.
i think there is general confusion between. all codes and the needed codes
regional updates, weapon intergration, threat library and such and global fleet updates of core codes
jackjackI thought no access to the source code was the golden bullet, no access and UK will just walk away.
well aussies and norway i’m told are developing their own specific software, it couldnt be done if we didnt have suitable codes, we dont get all of it, just what we need
you will find UK is the same or even better as a tier 1 partner, i dont think we are getting weapons integration at this stage, but UK wont get the lot either, just what it needs
as i understand it, its like microsoft, developers get the codes to write programs to plug and play, but no one gets all of microsofts codes
jackjackThe problem (for UK and JSF) is that we are in cascade error territory
1 or several From the following will probably be bearable, but all together might be too much
Increase in purchase cost
Failure to keep cost/flight hour down
Delays
Performance
Access to source code
Manufacturing share
non-European programmeThe whole programme is expensive at a time when politically cancelling a big programme might be advantageous, niggly little nibbles at the promised benefits of partnership make it harder to defend that cost.
There ARE alternatives. It is perfectly sensible to see them as sub-optimal or even just not as good (with or without hard data to back up that analysis), but they do exist
as a partner you are buying at flyaway cost only, all this talk of funding r&d hikes etc doesnt apply to you or the other partners
jackjackthat was a good find spudman, it answers my question on IOC
it still doesnt tell us what is working now in the way of aesa jamming, i know its a spiral development but the following throws into doubt any ability it has to date
looks like i’m having humble pie for tea
Sensor Integration – IDECM with AESA
In order to respond effectively to emerging future threats, F/A-18 aircraft capabilities are being
upgraded to incorporate new/enhanced weapons systems and avionics including Integrated Defensive
Electronic Counter Measures (IDECM) integrated with the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA)
to provide High Gain Electronic Support Measures (HGESM) and prove the concept of Narrow Band
High Gain Electronic Attack (HGEA). Advanced development engineering and analysis of hardware/
software is required to optimize fleet F/A-18 weapon systems for interoperability in a network centric
tactical environment.
FY 2010 Plans:
Continue software development for IDECM integration with AESA to provide HGEA and HGESM
capability to prove the concept of HGEA.
jackjackas i said, we will get a conformation on where the program is at from the office of the program manager
trying to interpenetrate sentence structure of counter-countermeasure full meaning is pointless
simply funding was from 2008, not from 2010 as you said
my claim is the agp-79 radar is used for jamming and i provided a link on boeing statement on one jamming type, focused beam attack jamming in answer to your raaf claim, it will be interesting to get the facts from usn program manager
jackjackmate, i think you are the one with a reading comprehension issue, you obviously didnt understand what you read in the the next line
The USN is now selecting F/A-18E/F upgrades for funding beginning in FY08, Gaddis says, with candidates including an infrared search-and-track sensor; high off-boresight capability for the AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile; datalinks for the AIM-9X air-to-air missile and JSOW stand-off weapon; night vision capability for the JHMCS helmet-mounted display; and an AESA electronic counter-countermeasures upgrade.
the fa-18ef apg-79 was funded from 2008
the other 2 radars, APG-77(V)1 and APG-81 AESAs were to be funded in 2010
actually i saw the apg-77 was due for this feature in 3 months time
i’m not going to continue arguing over who’s link is better and what the link actually said, hence my email to get conformation
now, are you a betting man ?
jackjackif it doesnt get approved. ge/rr will want a large share of the manufacturing of the f135 engine
but either way, i cant see the UK spitting the dummy and canceling, they have no other real option
jackjack( http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/08/01/208213/fa-18ef-to-use-aesa-as-jammer.html )
So four years ago, a year after the first Super Hornets fitted with the APG-79 were delivered to the USN, EA jamming was tentatively scheduled for 2010 at the earliest. Seriously, it’s quite a hole you’ve dug there.
i read it as there are 3 radars 2 are waiting for funding for ea
to clarify the situation i have put in the following request to the program manager since August 2008
CAPT Mark Darrah
program manager for F/A-18
re: state of integration of ALQ-214/IDECM to AN/APG-79 in FA-18ef
Sir,
I have seen various quotes as to the state of both the ‘jamming’ EW and EA ‘focused beam’ integration through the APG-79 array on the FA-18ef.
Could you advise me on the publicly available information about the current stage of the program, eg: does it have IOC ?
Hoping you can help with my request.
Jack
i will let you know when i get a reply
jackjackif you really want to hang your hat on Stephen Trimble article
you had better find out who Roberton is and his ability to make such a call
i think a direct boeing quote wins, would you like me to find another ?
its funny to watch people squirm when they know they’re wrong but still stand their ground
i eagerly await your next piece of ‘proof’
jackjackwell you found a blog entry quoting an aussie, it must have taken you a while to find it, most of the google search would of said it had ea
you better send him an email and tell him he is wrong, like you are
at least you didnt say we are getting degraded supers
i googled an aussie reference for you, seeing it was about aussie hornets
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/coming-your-way-soon–the-fa18f-super-hornet-20090716-dmmq.html
Aerospace company Boeing, manufacturer of the Super Hornet, won’t say too much.
“What we can do with the AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar in terms of jamming gets easily into non-releasable and classified information,” says Super Hornet program manager Michael Gibbons.
But he admits it really is possible to shoot down cruise and other missiles using Super Hornets’ tightly-focused radar beam to scramble their electronic brains.
This is termed electronic attack.
“It causes enough disruption within the system that it is inoperable,” he said.
“It can be used against any system or any weapon that is effectively within its frequency range.”
do you think the aesa radar has x in its frequency range, unless you want to dispute this too
so now you have links to jamming and this one for frying systems, is that enough ?
jackjackcola, maybe a eurofighter link will suit you better
http://typhoon.starstreak.net/Eurofighter/sensors.html
One the benefits to using a solid-state radar is the ability to control the energy emitted by the array, so called energy or signature management. For example by hopping between a number of frequencies in quick succession (so called Fast Frequency Hoping, FFH) the Power Spectral Density (PSD) is lowered. By lowering the PSD it becomes possible to (nearly) hide the emissions in background noise making it extremely difficult (but not impossible) to detect. This is termed Low Probability of Detection, or LPD. These techniques also reduce the likelihood of the signal being monitored or spoofed, this is termed Low Probability of Exploitation (LPE). These two capabilities combine to give Low Probability of Interception, or LPI.
Other LPI techniques that may be exploited with a solid-state active array include the ability to trade the peak power output against resolution, automatically reduce the peak power to a minimum for a given target and range and preventing the transmission of microwave energy towards a known threat. Of course though all these techniques will trade something to achieve LPI.
jackjackPretty hard if you have different needs than America or don’t have the vast budget for buying $200 million fighter aircraft.
well we are buying the a model at us~65mil, we have allowed au75mil
but even at your inflated price, 200 is still cheaper than what france paid for the rafale, someone did the maths and it was ~300mil each
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