no the 2010 suits my point fine
What the Emirians are calling for is much more complex. They want, in addition to the AESA, to have new functionalities on their Rafale, such as GMTT / GMTI detection and tracking of moving ground target, interlacing between air/air and air/ground modes, etc
(do you know what this means ?)
the key Emirian demand is about the range of the RBE2. And, with the same antenna diameter, the only way to achieve the 10% range increase (compared with the Basic AESA F3 “roadmap”) that wish to obtain the Emirians, is a big boost to the power of the radar.
But more power to the RBE2, could it be a risk to generate serious electromagnetic interference (EMI) with the SPECTRA receptors ?
There is indeed a very real EMI risk to treat. This is the case whenever we want to change aircraft emission systems. There are solutions, obviously, but this will require to reexamine SPECTRA. But the biggest problem we have identified is about electric generation, which could be insufficient. To increase the maximum range of a few nautical miles, we would have to deeply review the electrical generation system of the aircraft.
In short, to conceive what it could be a Rafale-9, that is to say a new aircraft moving away from the similarity you want with french Rafale.
The Emirati experts participating in negotiations are well aware of the problem. But they are also used to have very high quality weapons systems. They want to avoid any regression with the Rafale, at least on the radar range, compared to the F-16 Block 60,
(well it looks like they cant give uae the range and he seems to acknowledge there are some other things rafale cant match on the block 60)
you’re a giggle, so a direct quote from dassault is my invention
“the upgrade to the active antenna simply involves replacing the tube
transmitter and passive electronic scanning antenna with active modules”
so are you still saying rbe2 is multibeam ? i notice you have dropped the subject, its a joke to try and compare it to the apg-79
didnt you see, it wasnt SP, it was a french site
http://www.airtalk.org/image-vp113192.html
as i said according to dassault, it is simply a matter of putting an aesa antenna on the old backend
from dassault fox three
Designed from the outset to
deploy an electronically scanned
radar, the Rafale is equipped
with the RBE2 radar from Thales.
In production since 1997,
the upgrade to the active antenna
simply involves replacing the tube
transmitter and passive electronic
scanning antenna with active modules.
This operation is independent
of other functional developments
underway. An active module is a
transmitter/receiver based on
solid-state technologies
(gallium arsenide semiconductors)
no the uae wants it to be a decent radar before they buy it. even if it doesnt do all the new fangle stuff, as the 2010 interview said
it is what it is and needs money spent on it
i didnt say it could do nothing good, even though it cant even do ground hugging still
this seems to be where the yanks are at
Take a spin in the Auto-GCAS enabled fighter jet that doesn’t hit the ground
http://www.news.com.au/technology/take-a-spin-in-the-auto-gcas-enabled-fighter-jet-that-doesnt-hit-the-ground/story-e6frfro0-1225902748241
Interesting article from the Armed Forces Journal about Marine Corps strategy and the F-35B. The author suggests buying fewer F-35B’s and supplementing them with F/A-18F’s – noting that you can buy 3 F/A-18F’s for the cost of one F-35B – and adding new capabilities at the same time.
well he knows nothing of the internal politics of it all, does he
the marines have point blank refused the fa-18 previously for this very reason of thin end of the wedge, once they have one, they will have many
they dont want it and want the f-35
it may be my settings ?
ok,israel gets about 10%? of its defense funds in aid from usa, if israel uses their aid to buy f-35, its true
if they use their aid for other purchases, and pay for the f-35 out of their defense funds, its wrong,
the point of the story is that the aid and cost of 20 f-35 are about the same
they can buy f-15/16 or whatever if they want
As for what specific modes are and are not available, I think the internal technical info is only available to Thales and the various governments who are purchasing the Rafale. We really don’t know without access to internal documents. Frequency hopping is standard in modern radars, however, and I doubt that the RBE2 is any different. I don’t think beamforming with more than 1 beam is particularly difficult either and I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest to see such modes on the RBE-2.
well they havent and there are no plans to
they simply stuck an aesa antenna on the old rbe2 backend and tidied it up a bit
yes i changed my mind and gave a french source
this has all been done before, its easier just to quote a french site
http://www.airtalk.org/image-vp113192.html
However, Dassault and Thales are not proposing to make the AESA the
all-encompassing RF Cuisinart that Boeing (for example) envisages for the
Super Hornet, with features such as passive detection, multi-beam operation
and jamming. Nor does the team intend to exploit the AESA’s wide bandwidth,
which would mean a new radome. (This suggests that the current radome is a
bandpass design, transparent at the RBE2 frequency but stealthily reflective
at any other.) Rather, the approach is to minimise cost and risk by keeping
the same modes as the RBE2, while harvesting what are seen as the most
valuable advantages of the AESA. These include a 50 per cent-plus increase
in detection range – a better match for Meteor – much better performance at
the edges of the elevation and bearing envelope, better reliability through
the elimination of single-point failures and lower through-life costs.
With only 120 aircraft planned by 2012, the pace of the Rafale programme has
been influenced more by budget considerations than by technology. Aside from
Singapore, Greece and possibly Saudi Arabia, there are – for the moment –
few potential export customers for the fighter, and nothing except some
unexpected problems with JSF is likely to change that in the long term. But
with its unique balance of high performance, heavy load and stealth, Rafale
appears to be far ahead of most of the new generation in terms of maturity,
and is positioned to take advantage of any new opportunities.
since uae owns the license to the block 60 and anyone whould have to pay a premium to uae and work with them and usa, its safe to say there wont be any other countries having the block 60,
Man, I’d like to see your sources…
you’re not really going to say that the rbe2 is multi beam, are you ?
do you really know that little about your favorite plane ?
this has all been done before, its easier just to quote a french site
http://www.airtalk.org/image-vp113192.html
However, Dassault and Thales are not proposing to make the AESA the
all-encompassing RF Cuisinart that Boeing (for example) envisages for the
Super Hornet, with features such as passive detection, multi-beam operation
and jamming. Nor does the team intend to exploit the AESA’s wide bandwidth,
which would mean a new radome. (This suggests that the current radome is a
bandpass design, transparent at the RBE2 frequency but stealthily reflective
at any other.) Rather, the approach is to minimise cost and risk by keeping
the same modes as the RBE2, while harvesting what are seen as the most
valuable advantages of the AESA. These include a 50 per cent-plus increase
in detection range – a better match for Meteor – much better performance at
the edges of the elevation and bearing envelope, better reliability through
the elimination of single-point failures and lower through-life costs.
With only 120 aircraft planned by 2012, the pace of the Rafale programme has
been influenced more by budget considerations than by technology. Aside from
Singapore, Greece and possibly Saudi Arabia, there are – for the moment –
few potential export customers for the fighter, and nothing except some
unexpected problems with JSF is likely to change that in the long term. But
with its unique balance of high performance, heavy load and stealth, Rafale
appears to be far ahead of most of the new generation in terms of maturity,
and is positioned to take advantage of any new opportunities.
how is the 120 planes by 2012 going….. ?
30 odd pages of slapping french fanboys
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-31834.aspx
LOL the only similarity is they are both aesa
do i really need to put up the apg-79 functions and show you what rbe2 doesnt have ?
your link doesnt work, but israel does get aid from usa, what they buy from usa is up to them, as history shows
single beam pesa
now its a single beam aesa
australia has ordered 14
f-35 – 2
rafale – nil
plus uk norway dutch have ordered test planes
well you better go back to the source document and give the details, as the A&C has it wrong
perhaps even the link so we can see it, last resort would be an email to gerard
simply looking at the functions on the apg-79 shows its nothing like the rbe2
read my post above quoting the french, it isnt even upto a f-16
as per usual you’re 