but you will find that the sh wont be a day 1 platform, as it is now
the f-35 and ucav will
we are keeping the super hornets till 2025
Complicated is that you donโt understand that when a radar is changing frequency rapidly before you send โcancelingโ signal the radar will be ignoring this frequency (because it will already be using other frequency).
And you do understand, right? Do some Wikipedia too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_compression#SNR_augmentation_through_pulse_compression
exec its just the usual nonsense, dont worry about rafales rcs and limited jammer, we will have the silver bullet active cancellation soon
and ?
and another example from the last page
That should be pretty clear, as the basics are rather simple. It’s the practical part that’s complex, since you need to do it in real time and adapt the jamming in power and direction (sending back accurate signal so to cancel your aircraft’s signature from that particular angle, not to speak if you’re manouvering, as you’d need to adapt your jamming as your radar “signature” varies while your aircraft turns).
bet you wont find this in a decent link
you really have no idea how jamming works, do you
why dont you read a bit about it
Wrightwing :
Yes .
You see that I am with you on this one , because of Physics laws .What you don ‘t seem to understand is how an Aesa radar works in the first place , secondly you greatly underestimate Bragg Cells and to a lower extent Superheterodyne .
Bragg cells are basically “mirrors” , they can reflect back the exact signal received (to make it short) but it would be of no use , obviously .
That would make the reflected signal even stronger ๐ก
What can be done in a matter of nano-seconds (using a simple line of C++) is to change the phase of the signal (active cancellation) and “reflect” it with optical cells (Bragg) in almost real time .This is doable and has been done against old radars but the problem lies elsewhere .
“Active cancellation” is a big thing and I don ‘t think that the rafale is using it as we speak (May 2010) .
To archive the trick , one needs to know pretty well the planned RCS of the fighter at some critical angles , with and without external stores .
A couple of months in a good anechoic chamber and some various 3D CGI tests will provided what is needed to start to work on it .In fact , I am repeating myself . I have been through this before ๐
Never mind …The real challenge is to be able to “mimic” and “duplicate” that out-of phase signal simultaneously on many bands carefully chosen with 3rd gen DRFM techniques . So far , it seems that Thalรจs has its hands on something ๐
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Now , let ‘s forget about “active cancellation” and let’ s have a talk about May 2010 ๐At 200km away , the Rafale wouldn ‘t be considered at all while Spectra would consider the “pings” .
As I said , thousands of “pings” can be stored and analysed in matter of seconds and/or minutes .We know that a radar is working differently when is it scanning than when it is tracking , obviously (again) . That also means that less “active modules” are used for long range detection than when tracking .
It is precisely where a top notch RWR does marvels . ๐
Spectra :
First , it will warn the pilot that an adverse radar is scanning from that sector and at long range (very low signal) . The pilot can turn 30 degrees left or right and stay outside the detection range while still listening the “pings” . No need to jam , we ‘re not detected yet …
(What a huge advantage it is already in BVR)If the adverse fighter is flying high and fast (T-50 ? Mig-31 ? SU-27/35 ?) , it could end-up close enough to get a positive lock .
From there on , the radar would try to get a track and a firing solution .
To do that , the adverse radar will change “modes” from detection to tracking . It will start to send many more “pings” (thousands) to try to get the best available picture to display to the pilot . If it is a good Aesa array , it will also “lock” some frequencies with ECCMs to try to keep the “lock” at all cost .This is where Jammers are having a problem ๐ฎ
Deceptive active jamming with beam forming (active phased array) have great difficulties to “fool” the ECCMs . One have to understand than the “locked” frequencies chosen by the adverse radar software can change very rapidly and unless the jammer can “blanket” the most obvious frequencies , few “pings” will help the adverse radar to keep the lock .Fortunately , a well made active phased array jammer will simply respond in time where the most obvious PEAKS are . ๐
In doing so , very few “workable” “pings” will reach the adverse radar .
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lol
let me know when rafale gets this new tech that has a basic lab research program in several countries
this is the old bluewings i know and love, talking absolute nonsense about something he has no idea about, except rafale is the best because its french
jackjack :
No . They intent to use an Aesa radar as a jammer . It ‘s not done yet .
there is no current plan to upgrade the backend of RBE2 to use the future aesa antenna on the rafale as a jammer
they havent even got the basic features working yet, there is still a low flight limitation, it doesnt work properly
Spectra is indeed an active phased array . I should have employed this appellation first , Aesa only symbolize the technology .
you are getting closer, another couple of pages and i think we will have it, its looks like you are slowly accepting spectra isnt aesa
active phased array is the group, aesa is a subset for a type of active phased array
Cheers .
it should be obvious which has more power, those 2 little antennas or the aesa radar agp-79,
do you really want me to tell you why ?
let me know when rafale uses the aesa antenna as a jammer or infact gets anywhere near the features of the apg-79, let alone the later ones
I don’t need to tell Thales they are wrong- they are not. An AESA and an Active Phased Array are the same thing.
i know they are not wrong, thats why they dont call spectra aesa,
unless you think its a plot from thales usa, who designs and build the jammer and rwr for the rafale
it seems to be wishful thinking by some, that is defended to the hilt
An Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA), also known as active phased array radar is a type of phased array radar whose transmitter and receiver functions are composed of numerous small solid-state transmit/receive (T/R) modules.
there is a reason thales is calling the RBE2 upgrade ‘AESA’
there is a reason thales is calling the jammer ‘active phased array’
as i read you need both t/r modules for aesa and aesa is a radar,
jammer type of active phased array isnt aesa, isnt a radar and doesnt have t/r module
now if you dont like it, tell thales they are wrong, best of luck with that
shhh, dont tell him that, it will only upset him
Spectra is Aesa .
i’ll try again,with some aesa radar, they use the big powerful aesa antenna to jam etc
i have asked you before to post the antenna/s that rafale uses to jam, you said you would
well i’m still waiting
as to rafale aesa, you had better argue with thales they say its an ‘active phased array’, aesa is receive and transmit and if it was aesa thales would call it aesa, they would know what they have
http://www.thalesgroup.com/Pages/Solution.aspx?id=3243
We don ‘t know the official output power . Is it “limited” , is it “huge” , is it what is needed ?
You don ‘t know how the system is working and nobody on public forums knows the range .
I posted the 150km range with a pencil beam accuracy because the technology involved is telling me that it is possible .
I might even be way short …Cheers .
thales have said, its ‘discrete’ drfm, deceptive
it isnt a barrage etc, therefore low power, as i said most fighters are
you yourself say you have no idea of jamming range, so you made up the 150km
are you ready to compare the rafale and shornet signature management now, or do you already know the rafale is less than the shornet in features
except the long range jamming is done with the aesa antenna or ea-18g ALQ-99 pod etc
the spectra jammer is small and power limited, mainly for deception jamming, as most are and i havent seen its effective range posted
nar, aussies are pretty respected as far as protecting IP goes, as opposed to japan israel and france who dont get hold of the good toys any more
is the other party against the rafale ?
ok it’s the jurno was told by Indian MoD official who was told by a PAK-FA technician
i’m sure it wont be the last quote for its rcs and as i said red flag or indian exercises will give everyone an idea
russia wanted to sell the su-30 to australia, ya never know, we may buy the PAK
he might be saving the decision. so they can announce it in election run up as a positive
the politicians are pro france and they sign the contract