if ever the french do sell their plane to the likes of libia, the rafale has to be considered in potential threats

The Rafale is never falling , it only has an airframe and a FBW enabling it to point its nose even during negative speed (and without TVC) .

Cheers .

classic BW LOL
would you like to tell me how this works, so it wasnt falling, it must be true, the french do have a reverse gear in their planes

The Rafale is indeed more agile, because even despite the F-18C is lighter than the F-18E, it has a smaller wing, the F-18E is much heavier basicly both aircraft are underpowered but retain the basic STR of 18 deg/s which indeed is better than both the F-15E and F-14 but is not as good as Rafale at this moment the Rafale is among the 5 more agile fighters surpassing legacy F-15. F-16s, F-18s, MiG-29s and Su-27s .
The Only fighters in its league are probably the Su-35BM, Eurofighter and MiG-35 and superior only the F-22 and T-50
The secret weapon of the F-18E is the AIM-9X and its HMD/S which basicly will equalize any superior agility.

yes, the rafale nay be more agile but so would those redbull air race planes
the sh has better radar, better weapons and has better sa in the system battlespace
heck even our old 25 yr hornets will give the rafale a run for its money

the rafale has poor radar and a2a missiles in comparison, come back and tell me in 2014 when the rafale has been updated and then you may have some points

got a link to it waxing the sh ? i havent heard this one
roe on the f-15 would be nice too, hms and such should have done the job
the euro18, what version fcs system did they have and did they have hms too ?

rafale was briefly raised to 100 ° with a speed of -40 knots
should we make a list of plane who can do this and probable not write off that amount of speed

-40kts…i heard rumors the rafale had a reverse gear or was it just falling out of the sky ?

normally they trial for 12 mths before stuff starts getting reported and thats a nears completion one, then ya have the black trials we never hear about

ok seems it was ground testing here last year with flights this year

U.K. Launch Project Taranis, UCAV Technology Demonstrator
Ground testing of Taranis are scheduled for in early 2009, at BAE Systems test facility at Woomera, Australia. The first flight trials taking place in 2010. …
defense-update.com/products/t/taranis-ucav.htm

If this is so, against all other previous expectations I think the Rafale offer may have been given it’s “kiss of death”…

Hammer

as a novice without an aussie national interest in this decision
i think brazil shouldnt really care what the plane is, its the ‘tech transfer’ for their industry thats important and i dont really know what that plane/nation is
as a plane, i think gripen is a good option for future sales
fa-18 for ability, but brazil would need to have better systems to use this ability
the rafale for non us embargo possibility, but if thats the case brazil is doing stuff that is going to side line it from a lot of countries and they would be leaning to russia china france for support
france has shown with non supply of missiles to agentina and sided with uk, brazil wont get a free run on its no embargo plan with them also

with the ability to roll
the euro canards have an aoa about 30
the su xx about 30
fa-18 about 45
fa-18sh, about 50
the f-35 about 50
the f-22 about 60
the sr-71 isnt 45 its actually quite low, under 20