thats a silly post, isnt it toocool, would you like to talk about the f22 fa18 doing proven high aoa
Ok , I drop the Rafale/F-35 “contest” since the latest is still in testing and is far away to be operational .
there is only a contest in your mind bluewings
the major gov and air forces have already decided 🙂
30k for the jdam and then the jdam-er, 35nm 70k
as you said, google is your friend
ps it would be a brave pilot to take the rafale up high in a defended air space
Sintra
i meant laser for the laser paveway
the damocles has been ordered and has been/will be fitted to the rafale for a-stan
i think the ir is still in testing and hasnt been ordered yet
the up coming laser aasm is being ordered along with more gps is what i heard
wouldnt it be hard dropping the ir version as i havent heard that it has been delivered yet or did you mean laser
i heard the rafale had the damoclese flir/laser pod fitted for later deployments
“IR missiles don ‘t need to see the plume to have a lock , hot airframes is enough”
most sensible thing you have said in a long time. modern ir doesnt go after the plume
but the topic is the nozzle
now the question, does the f-35 have a hot airframe ?
You make the mistake of applying US solutions to the french problematic. The french have their own way of doing things and hence don’t require the same solution (towed decoy, main radar jamming for EW)… because of different choices. It doesn’t mean that their solutions are inferior.
Nic
i think like usa and the uk plan and griffin
rafales aesa radar will probably also be used for EW, its a valuable tool
it seems the modes and tech info isnt announced yet, we will have to wait
i cant find info on the rafale, if any is available it hasnt been translated and posted in english yet
this tells us nothing about the rafale radar
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/RADAR11048.xml&headline=Thales%20Begins%20Rafale%20AESA%20Production
as well, not instead of
please tell me about the software bluewings, i need a smile for the day
refer to TMors quote about gps aasm and ground targeting
edit although TMors quote did say non passive for ground, it was a2a claim i disputed
i meant the aesa radar array will also be used for jamming, its bigger and better
i dont want get into the debate on aesa and electronically steered phased array again
aesa has has both transmit and receive by definition
ok TMor, thanks very much for that
as per my last post, i think the new aesa will be used for jamming too, is that mentioned yet ?
as its only a couple of years away, they would probably also be working on tactics for that as well
well this clears up another point
“Spectra detects, radar creates a high res map, target in designated and shot”
there was a debate a little while ago where i said that the ground radar/missile site couldnt be passively targeted by rafale in uae, as was suggested
i said
the rwr gives a bearing, the radar/map gives the gps coords to the aasm to destroy the ground radar
there are a few people who could acknowledge i had the right end of the stick all along
edit, it was the rwr use in a2a i disputed, i agreed the rwr could take several bearings to give an aprox location that may be accurate enough for a gps aasm but would be accurate for the new ir or rf aasm
@ missileer
all in all most defense journalists do a good job and all know more than i do, any minor mistakes in an article doesnt really matter to the big picture of the story
its only on the forums where every word is dissected in the debate it becomes an issue
@ Toan
i cant google in french, can you check for me that the satcom isnt going to be for F3-O4T please
i take it the awacs are using satcom and the rafale is transmitting and receiving info with them on link 16 at the moment
in times of real uncertainty nations tend to spend more on defense
Well. Arthuro talked about a unique capability. This doesn’t mean that the journalist said so. I don’t have the article yet.
i didnt realise it wasnt a quote and arthuro may have meant good capability
on rereading this page i missed this before, arthuro in another post went on to say
About cooperative jamming this feature is under experimentation right now among the operational test squadron (CEAM) to define how it should be used among the forces.
so perhaps it would be nice to be clarified when you get the article or by arthuro when he has a minute or two
if the latter is right about coop jamming experiments
it may well be they are setting up doctrine for when the aesa radar comes online
the whole or part of the array can be used as a jammer and coop with others, doing all sorts of wonderful things, depending on the software
as you know, it is really going to be a great asset for the rafale
i tend to think it is still down the list along with the hms, 2 things that would be nice but not imperative at the moment
i have seen this said a few times, i havent seen it said that its not required or wanted by an official
i’m a pleb as i have said but i havent read of any problems
as you would know, forces dont fights in a tight formation any more like ww2
wingman stay wvr now i read and a squadron takes up a fair amount of sky
by reading quote of him saying
“About existing capabilities a quite unique feature that have been revealed in this issue is “cooperative jamming” with SPECTRA. This feature will be improved in the next batch.
i’ll let you pick the source you like
keyword “cooperative jamming” ALQ
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=UFP&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22cooperative+jamming+%22+ALQ&btnG=Search
its also called “cooperative tactics” jamming alq
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=8Tk&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22cooperative+tactics+%22+jamming+alq&btnG=Search
and blinking jamming is cooperative jamming so i read, i guess there would be a few more terms meaning the same thing
btw i tried to find a source that agrees that a towed decoy reduces maneuverability but couldnt find a single one
except for the single article you quoted, it sounds like he was guessing
well why isnt he aware that usa has cooperative jamming and decoy dispensing
this is why i prefer dassault or thales etc creditable quotes, jurno’s opinions get the wrong end of the stick quite often