France seems to have had low-observability in mind right from the start of the Rafale programme.
The following quote seems relevant:
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At the 1983 Paris Air Show, Dassault showed a mock-up of a technology demonstrator for a next-generation fighter. Two features of this ACX (Advanced Combat eXperimental) design proved striking – the huge vertical fin, and the novel inlets. The size of the fin had been dictated by the need for directional stability, but the inlets, which incorporated the moveable conical centrebodies found all Mirages since the IIIC, were mounted under the leading-edge root extensions of a carefully sculpted forward fuselage.
I assumed that this configuration had been adopted to ensure a good airflow at high angles of attack, but Northrop’s Lee Begin had an alternative theory. “Take another look”, he urged me, “they’re shaped that way because of stealth.”
Doug Richardson – ‘Stealth Warplanes’
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So the French are not beginners in this field. I’ve had a (very limited) briefing on French stealth R&D, and was impressed by what I learned. Richardson published some interesting details on French stealth work at least five years ago in one of the Jane’s magazines, as did Bill Sweetman.
oh the good old days, when the rafale was designed as a low level bomber, the position of the air intake was to shield it from radar from above, as several plans of that era were
how things have changed in modern designs
For me sovereignty means being able to maintain and modify your platform as you want, when you want and where you want.
you really have no idea how it works, do you, you cant modify any plane or manufacture your own spare parts, unless you own or license the IP, the manufacture does it or supplies the parts
you have said some nations have a different clasification on what gen they call their plane, eg china
Fedaykin, you’re in the uk, raf call it 5th gen so you can stop your carry on
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive.cfm?storyid=1A48D99C-1143-EC82-2ECE0EBDC81C6E6A
JSF will provide the UK with an unrivalled ‘fifth-generation’ tactical air system, designed with stealth characteristics and advanced sensors, and will afford the UK a ‘step change’ in capability
depends what you call maintenance, there is a proposal for australia to be an asian pacific hub, i havent heard if its final yet
The F-35 offers no operational sovereignty to overseas customers.
nonsense. 3 countries are writing sovereignty software now
is that better ?
The commentary is actually rather well thoughtout and the points made are all good.
Whether you agree with them or not is another matter, as is whether you understand them.Would you care to explain in detail, point by point the reasons it is nonsense or will you admit that the above is just another throw away remark designed to stir things up.
as opposed to putting up a link to a nonsense article ?
1. Fracture international expectation
2. Skip that generation of weapons
both nonsense
The JSF is just not militarily vital
nonsense
The F-35 offers no operational sovereignty to overseas customers.
nonsense
does that cover it ?
are you spinning ? at 5 a year, how long will it take to make 60 rafales ?
i dont see a major radar order till 2013-4 to upgrade the fleet
This milestone marks the latest step towards qualifying the RBE2 AESA radars this year in readiness for delivery of the first two units to Dassault Aviation during the first quarter of 2010.”
Dassault will complete integration of the radar with the Rafale in 2011 and the French Air Force is likely to get delivery of its first AESA equipped Rafale in 2012
If you scroll down the page, you’ll find the piece on
terminating the F-35 that buzzes around the net!
Rather interesting, i’d say!
its rather nonsense, i’d say
let me know when they put in an order for a 100 of them, after testing and ioc/foc, my guess is it will be a few years 2013-4
Fair enough, i’m not going to argue with that logic. 😀
when we brought some m1a1 tanks off the yanks, we had them put in a beer fridge, as i understand it aussie tanks are the only ones with a beer fridge
You have obviously missed the latest screams about how even T-50 is not 5th gen. 🙂
anyone creditable saying its not 5th gen ?
But why would the uber super dupper better than everything F35 need to “sneak” anywhere? Surely it would simply stroll in nonchantently laughing in the face of all dangers whilst simultaneously conversing in latin with the ice cold blonde on it’s arm :rolleyes: 😉
the only reason the aussies are getting the f-35 is because they are sick of spilling their beer doing high g stuff
along with the beer fridge option, this das coasting along with their feet up on the dash-board and letting the missiles do the work sounds the goods
Actually you will probably find that Russia defines things differently again and as far as I’m aware China calls its next generation fighters 4th generation within their own terminology.
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the funny thing is, you dont even realise it when you shoot yourself in the foot
so you say that even china uses generation to describe their planes
Actually you will probably find that Russia defines things differently again and as far as I’m aware China calls its next generation fighters 4th generation within their own terminology.
Oh and I am impressed with your Swiftian use of the word Vomit in a forum:rolleyes: Wouldn’t want to think the tone of conversation is being dragged down.
Again go and walk into lets say the Dassault offices in France or lets say the crew room of 1435 flight and say that they are being left behind…I think you will enjoy the wall of laughter.
i want to be a fly on the wall, when a nato battle is on and they are told rafales and phoons are going to escort an attack by f-35
they will soak up the sams, su-30 and pak fa, while the f-35 sneaks in and takes out the target
gee, a lot is being lost by language
TMor put up a list of what he sees as weakness, i said most of those are in the process of upgrading, yet somehow this is seen as bagging it
engine, i meant the french are happy with it, like the navy is happy with the super hornet engine
the aesa will be the big game changer for rafale,
although some of the electronic warfare/attack features may not be available till version 2, if you have read even the public information what the americans are doing with it, its mind blowing