look at some more pictures from the walkaround link i put up and you used
have a look at the panel fit, rivets, right angles etc
would you like me to highlight a couple with red arrows ?
it seems fanboys can see what isnt there, but can’t see whats in front of them
what’s the rcs reduction of a stealthy red arrow ?
the edge may have a saw tooth substructure, but again your picture doesnt show it
would they have the lack of panel fit and then go for saw tooth ?
so they let the partner price deal out of the bag, so much for secrecy
you are waving an unconfirmed news article around as if you have found jesus on his second comming
2012 is when they make their decission and if its the same price as those you mentioned, do you really think they wont go f-35, it seems more of a wish
we left out the gripen, that fits into the group too
i meant in a strike role with bombs and tanks, i see it all being similar, that the difference isnt really a tactically advantage over the other
looking at the whole battlespace systems is where an advantage is found and that could be any of the planes on the day
I don’t believe the F-35 will be about 80m. I think as I have thought from the time when it was promised to be ~58m that it will be 100m+.
My prediction of ~100m was made over a year ago. I know very little about these things but I’m not so bad at recognising misleading BS from PR departments. So far independent predictions (non-LM PR BS) have been moving closer to my estimate.
even if your 100m for the f-35a is right, i cant see it making a lot of difference
the purchase price isnt as big as the 30yr to maintain and running costs
they might have evaluations with other craft to reconfirm which will suit
if LM can deliver by that timeframe… if my memory serves well, someone posted links to statements that the testing wouldn’t be finished by then… unless you want the RAAF to end the testing on its “production” models, they may need to be postponed
they are for testing and training, we are looking at 2018-19 for IOC
A ball shaped object only has a single point where incoming signal would return straight back to the emitter, from whatever angle. I tend to think that ball shaped objects should generally have very small RCS. Of course, it would also depend on material, surface finish etc. but the tip of the refueling probe of the Rafale doesn’t look like a big problem to me. It might have some impact if it was installed like this on the F-22 but hardly on Rafale.
jackjack: the dimples on the surface of a golf ball would most probably have considerable impact on its RCS because they create numerous points of straight signal return. A golf ball would likely have a much larger RCS than a simple sphere of similar size and made of similar material.
I am no expert, it just sounds logical to me. Anyone who can prove it wrong is very welcome.
sorry, i didnt mean an actual golf ball
they say the f-22 is a metal sphere the size of a marble
a f-35 is the size of a golf ball
i think the rcs of a rafale is similar to ef/fa-18/f-16 and all are significant when mission loaded
and i agree, the rcs of the probe isnt that big of a deal
on could point out many different points, of course, but I talked about the “saw form” on trailing edges mainly because it is quite a significant feature of stealthy designs for the last 20 years or so 😉
obviously this is a term you have heard and dont really understand what it is
could you point out the saw edge on the wing in your picture ?
http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin4/rafale_b_tlp/images/rafale_b_tlp_120_of_144.jpg
ps i havent looked but i heard its on the canards ?
let me know when we cancel the 14 we have already approved for delivery 2014-15
you would have been better to point out the blending of the wing to the fuselage
the position under the nose of the air inlet, so from above lower rcs
remember it was designed to be a self escorted low level nuke delivery strike fighter or in french, omni role
its a good set of pictures, isnt it
australia isnt leaving, we confirmed our purchase only last week
well thats better than bluewings that said it was ram coated
i hadnt heard that it wasnt metal, do you know what its made of ?
here is a good close up
http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin4/rafale_b_tlp/images/rafale_b_tlp_028_of_144.jpg
from a good walk around
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin4/rafale_b_tlp/index.php?Page=2
havent see the fuel probe measured, whats the rcs of an orange ?
they did do rcs reduction on the rafale or it would have been a barn door like the su and f-15
er, today’s projection price for the F-35 is about 80 to 90 million.. but several questions can be asked:
– how much more this price will have to be increased in the end?
– after how many years of production that final price will be reached?
– considering the projectged price aims at a 3000 aircraft for US only (add to that foreign orders), how many orders will have to be cut to remain within limits of various customers’ budgets and how hard will it impact the final price?if these budgets aren’t extensible (and usually they aren’t all that much) the increase of 60 to 90% in price per airframe will mean significant orders reduction, and that, in turn, should initiate another significant price increase…
i think you will find they talk average price for the 3 models and today they are a lot dearer than 80-90, over 150m
the 60-90% increase is based on the first price and doesnt allow for inflation
but they are going to be dearer and take longer than first said but sooner than a lot of planes