Provided there is a mean for an external designation, it is possible, and should be no problem. That’s all. If the Rafale is alone, i see to* possibility, yet.
* means no ?
if so i totally agree

So, Sagem, who build it, is wrong. I’d better say we don’t understand the whole thing.

no i meant the poster on airdefense 64×64 i think 64×2 is normal for this type
You’re refering to this message :
http://www.air-defense.net/forum/index.php/topic,7726.msg178255.html#msg178255
Faltenin gave us this data, according to him from the Ecole Militaire Belge (Belgium military school).
yes thats the one

The problem is that it doesn’t match anything else. Most of the time, you will learn that it was initially planned that it would use two bars, and i have provided the evidence that it was back in 1984. TWENTY YEARS LATER, the firm that build the missile is talking about a high resolution FPA.

its still using the same chiller by the sound of it although its quite possible both have been upgraded, but these things are normally announced with allocated development funds and contracts

However, the reason why we are trying to know what it’s made of is basically because you don’t believe the claimed detection ranges, because in fact, we don’t know about the Aim-9X.

for ease i’ll accept 30k even if its maybe a one pixle blob

In case of a head on engagement, i do not expect Rafale to remain undected. 😎 But there exist a lot of possibilities that targets will be detected by Rafale without having Rafale in their radar cone, don’t you think ?

i think its silly not to have decent radar surveillance and turning off the rafales primary sensor
i think its a marketing reaction to LPI radar
the RWR will only work when the rafale is lit up by a radar and we agree osf is 30-40k

yes, 30-40k is the detection range of the osf/laser, if it knows where to look, its like looking through a drinking straw and its a big sky
the rwr receiver will give it somewhere to look
not a very survivable scenario

yes, using off-board data is another story and there are several ways it can be done

Who said the laser range finder was required ?
Who said the trajectory had to be flat ?

the osf tv doesnt have a 60k range either, tmor told me
that leaves the RWR
that can only provide bearing
firing on a bearing, you can only use flat trajectory / chase missile

Well, now, i’m having a doubt about my last answer to Nicolas10.
That’s funny how people sometimes refuse to believe facts on the ground of their lack of knowledge of classified data. Especially when we talk about French equipments.
Jackjack, leave your prejudice before you come here, please.

i thought i answer ok. the written word is poor communication compared to face to face
i have no prejudice, french ancestors

I’ve lost the track.
Did you have something in mind before you asked the initial question ? What’s your point ?

the point is i cant see a passive 60k shot being done and i asked how

I don’t know if you’re used to strategypage, but here, the quotation system is really fine. Use it, please.:rolleyes:
is underline better ?

However, I know the discussions you’re refering to. And the resolution isn’t proved.
We’re talking about 2 BAR IR-CCD, as envisaged in 1984 at the begining of the project. This was a major improvement over the seeker of the Magic 2. Twenty years later, Sagem talk about high resolution FPA. Maybe you know something about those techs that could enlighten my opinion ?

The fact is that Mica IR was designed with BVR in mind, so, expect it to have a good detection range, INS and datalink.

i actually think they are wrong and if 64 would be a 2 bar 64×2
but 2 bar 64×64 was the data that was released by [i forget who]
as you know the other makers have gone with a staring or scanning 128×128 and larger

You’re still in a head on scenario, while we’re talking about the possibility for Rafale to attack unaware targets.

how would they be unaware in a head on engagement ? unless you think a rafale cant be detected at 60k

It may not be BS, since as Capitaine Romain explained, those engagement were conducted out of the training area, and F-22 may have just scored kills unofficially, without informing the French that they were playing such a game. It seems that you didn’t take interest about what we wrote some pages ago.

so obviously the f-22 must have said they did, it does seem strange

What’s your native language ?
By the way, this last sentence, in an attempt to put France out of the west as an exception, is somewhat strange.

english and i should of said neighbors

Erakis thats a quote of TMor and i agree it has directional RWR

[QUOTE=TMor;1547583]:rolleyes: Ok, wait, I’m going to have a look into my classified manual of Mica IR. 😀

but does it make sense ?

Old two bar 64×64 ? I’ve already read it somewhere… What’s your source, please ?

airdefense

I have a Sagem PDF which says :
-focal plane array ; the lens focus on the chip
-bispectral imager ;the 2 bar diode gives 2 frequencies
-high resolution ; no comment
-super sensitivity. no comment
Of course, no detail.

it compares the 2 frequency images as an anti spoof

Take your time.:D

ok, no radar can see the raffale at 60k, dam that pixie dust is good

A&C reported about BVR engagements. The French pilots seem not to be aware of these… Funny, don’t you think ?

its BS, they would have had coms telling them they’re dead

They’d better not take the risk against modern ESM. Not yet.

all i can say is its lucky france isnt going to fight the west

that big swing engine chopper is the heat problem on decks and they slip a pad under them

do some more googling it seems its not a real problem