another polite, correct post, are you going to make a habit of this 😀
does a 70k tail wind count :diablo:
i was using the numbers posted in this thread
there are a few missiles that are trying to improve the end game, but meteor seems to be leading
it will be interesting to see if we choose the meteor
lets not start with NEZ, this is hard enough

are you able to explain to us why the mica ir cant on-board passively engage at that range

i agree with you and in my post above yours i said about radar and link 16 by off-board data could do it too

The OSF has a range of around 45 km or something like that. SPECTRA has a significantly longer range, as well as sophisticated emitter identification/locating/tracking modes, I think. If an object is detected by SPECTRA, OSF can be cued to get an image of the target. Between SPECTRA and OSF reasonably accurate data for both azimuth and elevation as well as target identification (via SPECTRA’s threat library) can be found. From these, range can be found by means of either the laser range finder or entirely passively via creative use of nonlinear kalman filters and special maneuvering patterns. Or if there is a datalink present, one doesn’t even need to use special maneuvers. Speed can likely be found via other tricks. From these a firing solution can be obtained. An IR Mica can be fired off based on the given firing solution and then track passively via IR on its own once it is in range (the initial firing solution from the Rafale’s sensors probably handles this). Additionally the missile may be able to be guided via the Rafale’s passive sensors and one-way datalink, but I am not sure about this.

I’m guessing this is how it works. I’m sure a lot of info on the Rafale’s sensors is classified. I know the EF uses the nonlinear kalman filter + maneuvering/datalink trick to get passive ranging info and I think it is known in the industry as a whole, though it is a bit of an “art”. I’m sure Thales has the expertise to do it, but I’m just guessing in the case of the Rafale as to the exact method.

Either way it is entirely possible to passively detect/track and fire on a target well outside of BVR and this is a capability possessed by the Rafale, Eurofighter, and F-22, and perhaps some other aircraft as well.

i think the tv camera osf has a much longer range, the laser designator is the limiting factor
i think the radar would provide the targeting bvr info to bring it in range for the ir to take over
i found it easier to split the spectra/osf into its different functions to try to get an understanding of how it works

link 16 by off-board data could do it too

the ir has had loal for a long time afaik
not passivly it doesnt have the same range and lets hope the battle space isnt too cluttered with friendlies

Do you know what does it do and can you elaborate “elaborate ESM”, more?

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/New-Sensors-are-Force-Multipliers_10777.html
http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/military/845.html

And you know that how?

he probably read that L band doesnt provide accurate targeting data