As I have worked out because as usual you talk out of your behinds and WE have to look up stuff for you. Learn to use google FFS
no, you just repeated it, the roll rate ps was worked out on a previous page
and the ability to roll at a high aoa is about 2/3 of max
the rafale probably has about at about a 20 deg aoa roll ability
compared to about a 40 deg aoa roll for the f-22
The F135 engine is supercruise class, but not with the Striker feature airframe of the F-35.
Its that simple.
But really it doesn’t change anything, the F-35 will come out as a great aircraft for its purpose and requirments in the end.Supercruise performance are overrated.
Thanks
no LM said clearly the engine isnt designed for supercruise
check their FAQ on site
both given the same ew’ea kit, you dont think the lower rcs platform would still have a higher advantage ?
that was a bit harsh, spelling out that aspect of signature management and what it is and does
i wonder what MSphere reply will be, you seem to have left him no where to go with “the phoon is a stealth plane”
A&C publish a small article about the mirage 2000-9 (piloted by a french pilot) successful dogfight versus the F22.
A special “patch” “BFM vs raptor-APPROVED” was created by the french air force to celebrate the event.
You can see an F22 with a visor on it.
i got the site working
he seems to be saying the french line and is in dispute with the usa who said the f-22 won 6-0
with missiles, i’ll agree it is random on similar systems, i find his random with guns dogfight a bit strange
the advantage with a gun dogfight goes to the one playing the aggressor/the one behind and that roll is normally swapped on the next exchange
as i said, its quite possible for anything to put a gun on a f-22 and when someone does, its celebrated like winning a lottery
it doesnt say but i doubt the mirage was a 1 on 1 dogfight kill, but during a red blue multi plane exercise, there are a few examples like this, of which i’m sure you’re aware
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//blog.francetv.fr/capitaine-romain/index.php&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1
Hello Captain,
This, I believe, will answer all questions concerning the exercise. This, I believe, will answer all questions concerning the exercise. The other course within the discretion of own military operations. The other race within the discretion of own military operations. The Rafale neutralizes the F-22 (without the kill) in order to fight 5 times of 6, he lost once. The Rafale neutralized the F-22 (without the kill) in order to fight 5 times of 6, he lost an ounce. And it is shot, like all others, beyond visual range. And it is shot, like all others, beyond visual range. What is the background logic. What is the background logic.
This leads me to make these few details … 🙂 🙂
1. 1. The dog-fight is an exercise in ‘random’: ‘the F22 did not show above the Rafale “… The dog-fight is an exercise in ‘random’: ‘the F22 did not show above the Rafale “… might as well be said:” The Rafale is the same level as the Raptor in dogfight. “Could also be said as well: “The Rafale is the same level as the Raptor in dogfight.” It is my professional opinion. It is my professional opinion. To say this, I rely on the fact that for TRA, a Mirage 2000 -9 UAE which was piloted by a French pilot and an aircraft is yet far less efficient than the Rafale, successfully pass a gun on F22 in a dogfight … the dog-fight is an exercise in ‘random ‘where the Rafale and the Raptor are clearly on an equal footing. To say this, I Rely on the fact that for TRA, a UAE Mirage 2000-9, Which was piloted by a French pilot and an aircraft is yet far less efficient than the Rafale, successfully pass a gun during a dogfight F22 … the dog-fight is an exercise in ‘random’ as the Rafale and the Raptor are clearly “on an equal footing.
2. 2. When I make a transit to my area of training or when I returned on board my Rafale, I shall often use this time to practice shooting dummy missile on other military aircraft, also in transit. When I make a transit to my area of training or when I returned my Rafale on board, I shall often use this time to practice shooting dummy missile on other military aircraft, also in transit. Among the possibilities offered by the weapon system Rafale, there is that which involves firing a missile into an aircraft that enlightens his radar while mine remains silent … There was no confrontation Beyond Visual Range between Rafale and F22. However, it is clear that the Raptor pilots as pilots of Rafale, will be trained to make such shots in phases during transit DPAC. Among the possibilities offered by the weapon system Rafale, there is That Which Involves firing a missile into an aircraft that Enlightens his radar while mine remains silent … There was no confrontation Beyond Visual Range between Rafale and F22. It is however clear that the Raptor pilots have pilots of Rafale, will be trained to make such shots in phases during DPCA transit.
Let me get this straight: You’re saying that the raptor has a better roll rate than the Rafale, yet you admit that you don’t know about the Rafale’s roll rate?
That’s rich!
For the matter rafale roll rate is 270°/second
F16 is 224 from a quick google search, anyone can correct me on that?Nic
no then i was saying the the f-22 could roll at a higher aoa
the rafale has a higher roll rate per second, as we have worked out
Quite frankly, I have read this several times over and over and still see no way how a low power mode should have the same range as high power mode. If low power can do the same, then why have high power, at all?
different radar systems have different receive sensitivity and methods, the one with better receive ability doesnt need to put out the same power level for the same detection distance, it can work with a smaller return signal and/or the feq shift etc
put up a link to the radar pages you are reading, someone here will be able to answer your questions about it
without googling and quoting the whole story
as a pleb its something like. its the receive sensitiviity and library that say you have a target
idealy the target doesnt know he’s been pinged with lpi, the power output is dependant on its ability to pull the target from the hash on return
you can have a high output low sesitivity and low output high sensitivity, having the same range
again, i’ll suggest you do some more reading
the link seems to down at the moment, try later
if its like what is exampled in the post, its a real streach to say it got a kill
doesnt usa claim LER of something like 20-30:1. so someone in the 30 odd gets a kill
although i’ve seen exercises claiming 100 to 1
http://blog.francetv.fr/capitaine-romain/index.php/2010/02/27/170326-le-dernier-post-de-johann
Capitaine Romain, while still denying the BVR encounters between F-22 and Rafale, gives an explanation about what A&C claimed about such engagements.
He says that usually, while he’s heading to a training area, or leaving it, with his Rafale, he trains at virtually shooting missiles at other military aircraft passing by. Thus, he acknowledge that as he would have done, F-22 might have secretly engaged Rafale out of the training area, without RoE, at moments when Rafale wouldn’t even expect any threat.
This would explain why Rafale had their radars turned “on” during those even more unfair combats.
But IMHO, the really interesting part of what Capitaine Romain wrote is how he secretly engage transiting aircraft : actually, Rafale CAN shoot passively at an other fighter provided the latter has his radar turned on.
thats possible but isnt that the same a&c that the french defence guy had to correct about the uae raf/phoon/f22 story it ran ?
does any one else support the claim, it seems like winning the lottery to kill the f-22
Setting angle would be the angle I would use to describe the “AoA” of the wing root with respect to the fuselage.
Then use twist to work from the root to tip…
technically that is called angle of incidence as per cola’s link
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Dictionary/angle_of_incidence/DI6.htm
people interchange the term and so its best to spell out by example what you are meaning
thanks guys, i was going to let it pass, there is a decent discussion happening here and didnt want to side track with nonsense, something rare on this site
are we still being serious, or are we back to taking the pis* with each other
does it really sound as if i’ve studied in depth any subject ?
What? Where did you get this?
US uses AOI as anybody else in the world.
here is one example, i was trying not to confuse incase you use aoi for aoa, hence my use of both terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_attack
Some British authors have used the term angle of incidence instead of angle of attack. However, this can lead to confusion with the term riggers’ angle of incidence meaning the angle between the chord of an aerofoil and some fixed datum in the aeroplane
we both know we are talking about wing angle to air direction and stall angle in our posts, dont we
ps while i’m being serious
if you havent read about the 70 deg f-18harv, i think its worth it
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-002-DFRC.html
LOL one of us is wrong, uk/euro uses the term AOI usa uses the term aoa, both mean the same thing.
when used to describe stall, are you confusing post stall for one or the other?
put up a link, if you want to try and prove your point, then i’ll do the same
tell me again how stupid i am, its a giggle, my eyes are watering