i think they would of said rcs reduction to low visibility, more stealthy than older 4th gen?
i think calling it a stealth aircraft as the term is used, would be very misleading
can you give me the link you’re referring to, so i have what you refer to and there isnt a mistake on my part

again supercruise isnt a ‘requirement’ for 5th, or many gov, airforces and makers are wrong
show a creditable link that says it is a requirement or as i said, stop your nonsense

Yes, but then there’s nothing left. 😀
I’m surprised to see this topic still going on…

havent you seen the eurofighter site ?
its just warming up 😀
preview of article with names named…..
” There were not 5 draws and one win. There were six wins. One NAMED F-22 pilot simply said that “That wasn’t the way I remember it” – politely contradicting what Grandclaudon had said (and remember that Lt Col Grandclaudon spoke for PR purposes at a press conference), while the NAMED F-22 Squadron Commander could not have been more unequivocal, saying that the F-22s won every engagement, a statement that UNNAMED F-16 aircrew from more than one air force confirmed, and so did Typhoon pilots and at least one pilot of another participating type ”

i wondered how a 30 deg angle of incidence plane could out point a 70 deg angle of incidence plane and corresponding higher roll, with higher t/w in a guns only dog fight
its making more sense, it seems it didnt,
oh dear, this sounds like letting a cat amongst the pigeons

no gov, airforce or maker claims 5th gen for typhoon
more than a dozen gov’s, airforces and numerous makers say the f-22 and f-35 and the new russian and chinese is/will be 5th gen
please stop your nonsense, its getting tiresome

Agree and disagree at the same time.
Yes, the LPI mode might enable you to detect an MKM without alerting the Avitronics thing. At the same time, the LPI range of the APG-79 must be greatly reduced compared to the non-LPI figure. That means the SH must come pretty close and since it is by no means a stealth aircraft, it stays exposed to enemy radars. Once detected, the LPI advantage might quickly turn into a trap.

BTW, MKM has the IRST thing which enables similar silent attacks and since it also has suitable missiles for that (unlike the SH), it certainly has some edge here, as well.

I’d say that in the end it comes down to proper tactics and force multipliers. Separate types don’t win battles, entire forces do. I’d take a SH backed by Wedgetail against solitary MKMs any day of the week, just like I’d take an MKM backed by Erieye against solitary Superbugs. 🙂

no there is no reduction in distance and i suggest you google up some creditable articles about aesa radars, form an opinion on the public info and we can debate it
ru is developing aesa for the su’s, so when malay is ready to do a midlife upgrade, i’m sure they will get it

you’re right, in the end it definitely comes down to systems and not platforms

LM makes the f-22 and f-35 and say both are 5th gen,
what is the basis on to try and debate it, it sounds silly to me and its only anti’s that put forward this nonsense

Why don’t you actually post something useful and of interest, rather than hectoring people who are trying to have a discussion?

Or do you actually have zero knowledge of the topic you are supposedly “discussing,” thus are incapable of posting any real insightful knowledge for the benefit of the forum community?

he has been told some stuff, but it wasnt to his liking, what am i suppose to do except to ask him to post his point, so we can see it

by the way, can you tell me what right you have to chastise me, or are you looking for a confrontation ? if so, PM me

thats fine, can you give the link to him,
or was it a friend who told you about a friend of a friend’s sister, who had a date with a pilot,