I dont doubt that for a minute, but the present Hornets have this capability, so how can there be an increaed effectivness in each Hornet mission?

in the link above
The service will accelerate the transition of five F/A-18C squadrons to E or F models using available Super Hornets, the draft statement said, “and will transition two additional legacy squadrons using Super Hornet attrition reserve aircraft.”

the super hornet bk2 has 3 times the capability of a fa-18cd
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04900.pdf
At 2004 the capability score using JSF = 1 as a base line
then F/A-18E/F Block ll = .660
F/A-18E/F Block l = .316
F/A-18A+/C/D = .193
F-14D = .195

The Typhoon and Rafale are flying, deployed, and in the case of the Rafale, have already seen action in Afghanistan. There are upgrades to be done for sure, but they are certainly up to 4.5th gen (as they were by design) and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.

the 0.5 stands for 5th gen avionics and weapons, who can argue that rafales and typhoons have reached this point yet, i can see shortfalls in both

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:beeb2766-2716-4993-a106-92de8bb38bd9&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

Stunning Reversal — Schwartz Expects a Cost Breach on JSF
Posted by Amy Butler at 2/22/2010 1:59 PM CST

In a stunning reversal Feb. 19, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz told reporters that a Joint Strike Fighter cost overrun is “possible, maybe even likely.”

the answer is, so what
under law it has to go back to gov for assessment, it gets ticked and continues

has the timeline been agreed to yet ?
the f-35 will be sooner than the typhoon and rafale was and both are still in development to 4.5 standard

I can only go on what I see and also what I hear from informed sources within the Eurofighter Program, Now I understand Eurofighter GmbH may feel slighted by the ‘assesment’, BUT –

Bit of background from the past…

The criteria was delivery in 2010-2012 something that Eurofighter would have found near impossible, with only around 5 extra airframes per year over and above what the partners were getting, coupled with a requirement for certain mission capabilities that were not programmed till after 2014-16.

This was apparently was a ‘factor’ because the JSF had the dates all in as per the criteria, no matter that it was just a paper aircraft at that time, so the decision was made that the JSF met the dates and the capability.

Now we find those dates were not that important, simply add AU$6Billion worth of F18E/E to cover the gap caused by believing a PP presentation.

History has a way of rewriting itself…. Try looking at what the NACC is mandated to do..

I suppose # 2 would have been much much harder if it involved other aircraft;). the NACC IPT was formed in Sept 2002 and in Oct 2002 the decision was taken for the JSF.:eek:

That has to be the fastest project team setup and ‘evaluation’ in history, I bet they were still unpacking boxes and choosing chairs. It was a government decision and The NACC IPT were not going to challenge that.

Source http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/news/ontarget/feb07/hl5.cfm

I have no problem the government choosing an aircraft politically, but I do have a problem if it cloaks it in a fair and thorough assesment of capability.

Cheers

through bae typhoon it was argued it would provide more work and income for aussie industry

there is a huge gap between what you know and what you THINK you know

uk/au joint agreement 2000
“The United Kingdom and Australia have a similar requirement to replace our current generation strike aircraft, and both countries should benefit from exploring the scope for co-operation,” British armed forces minister John Spellar said. “I hope that the defense industry and research establishments in both countries will be able to benefit from involvement in this program, which is a further example of the significant defense cooperation between our two countries.”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6712/is_20_207/ai_n28783957/

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.airwar.ru/&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=KOI8-R

just copy text or url here in future
http://translate.google.com/#

Sens, so 6 months behind testing schedule, resolved by a 13 month extension if needed, with more money allocated and more test aircraft is your idea of serious trouble

Source Fighter in a spin

Latest news from australia…
Food for thought…:p

Cheers

john, i’m sure you can google lots of articles quoting “out of the loop” retired persons without access to the program, maybe even quote APA Kopp 😀

the food for thought from your newspaper clipping is

The RAAF expects to introduce its first operational squadron of F-35s in 2018-19, with three squadrons, or 72 aircraft, in service by 2021

at this stage USAF is expecting their craft from 2013, we have a 5-6 year buffer
the f-35 can be delayed for a further 5 years before it is a concern to us
then we will have to look at our old hornet fleet, to see how long we can keep them in the air, i guess we need 2 hornet squadrons with the 24 super hornets at a minimum

So, UAE is asking Dassault to install something that Dassault won’t be allowed to install ? So, where is the problem for us ?

no, it will be a uae/usa agreement and boeing will fit it, subject to france allowing it