get back on track? only under a revised, less ambitious, testing shedule

isnt there more testing hense the extra test planes ?
as well as the 3bn there is a reduction till 2015, to pay for extra test, which can go back into production when sorted
2013 is still the date for ioc f-35a
which may or may not happen, new planes being delayed, not something new
if you’re a rafle or tiffy fan, same thing happened
aussies want 14 test ones to a total 72 for 2018, should be sorted by then dont you think ?

So the Rafale bid is NOT riding in the best of its possibilities at this stage, the longer the delay in announcing, it the worse it gets for Dassault.

If the news you get doesn`t suit your personal wishes unfortunately there is nothing you can do to make your dreams turn into the real truth.

Regards,

Hammer

if rafale doesnt win brazil, it also puts in doubt a few other potential customers who are sitting back waiting for a secure future for it, as i see it, without enough units built to offset development and future upgrade costs, it will be a very expensive plane for france

The 5th generation will be known in the future as the ‘lost generation’

is that because 4gen cant find them ? or that its like the uk and french subs, they only know they are there when they run into each other

the eu benifits as a whole with decent defense, it seems reasonable they all put in an equal share of gdp to defense and in particular, a 5/6 gen plane and it be run by an eu team rather than a couple of countries trying to keep everything in their backyard

I’ve said before I don’t think it will happen until there is a need, and at that point govt’s would be willing to cough up the money.

The way i’d like to see it, and think it’d work best, would be one or 2 partners coming together to design it an act as launch customers, then the other nations who need it can simply buy it or negotiate for sub-assembly or offsets. If you have lots of nations in the design stage the aims become too diffuse and costs/time/problems go up.

i think a united eu is needed and a pool of money collected with profit offsets from those doing the work back to observers
one or 2 countries arent going to be able to generate the funds needed to develop a decent 5/6 gen plane

Oh, but of course the eurocanards have >0,1rcs. Especially that Rafale with that permenantly attached refueling probe is quite stealthy. Or the typhoon with the fan blades in public view. Or the Gripen, with all those antennas hanging around. Sure, no question about that. How stupid the american are, they spent tons of billions of $$$ in designing clean configurations.

ouch, that hurt a few, 😮
i think the euro’s , f-16,18 rcs is measured in meters in mission config and not parts of meters
the fa-18, rafale and ef all claim to be the lowest 4gen rcs only one is right and thats restricted and my guess is its 1-5 meters at least in mission fitout

who is dismissing a2a threats ?
an updated version of the iraq battles will show how they are handled
along with f-35 in self escorting strike config, if the planners felt that f-35’s dedicated a2a config to fly escort is needed, that is indedd what would happen, along with all the other systems support to the mission

is there any doubt that the f-35 will be the number 2 behind the f-22 in a2a, and later we can put the new russian craft in 3rd and probably the new chineses in 4th, i dont know what your favorite plane is, but i guess it isnt any of these

i accept what you’re saying, but it is maneuverable and it does have the best to date, sensor fusing to a systems battlespace
either its going to be a decent ‘plane in system’, or all the experts and country evaluations are wrong
at this point of time, i am backing those that should know