Getting there
What is the easiest way to get to the gun emplacments? I don’t fancy a 3 mile walk each way from either Lossie or Kingston. is there a better/shorter route (me and my dicky leg!)?
Lossie beach
How far along the beach at Lossie Roy9 and is that east or west of the town?
Vampire mid-air
Some new information has come to light which confirms the date and the aircraft involved. The information in my book ‘Swift to Battle. Vol 3’ is in error. (Very annoyed about my mistake!). Here is what should have been in it:
30 December 1951
VV539: struck by WA361 while formation flying and abandoned. Sgt D Mobberley
WA361: Struck VV539 and RTB. Pt Off Taylor
And from one of the witnesses, Sgt Pilot Sydney Hyams:
Thank you for the question re Sgt. Pilot Mobberley’s collision.
I have consulted my log book and can confirm that on Sunday 30th December 1951 that a wing exercise as you describe did take place. My aircraft was WA424 and Sgt. Dennis Mobberley’s No.2 was a Pilot Officer Norman in WA361.
WA539 flown by Dennis was a write off.
Sorry for any confusion caused and many thanks to all who helped to clear this up.
Tom
Vampire mid-air
Tom
It mentioned Jim Barton who is re-union co-ordinator for 72 Sqn. He has apparently put Mobberley in touch with Sydney Hyams so the latter might be able to pass on his address to you.
Peter
Hi Peter, I know both well. Sydney was until recently the 72 Sqn Assoc treasurer and I am the membership secretary, newsletter editor and webmaster! I am trying to get an answer from Sydney to the date conundrum and will post when I do.
THe ORB has no record of either incident! Like many ORBs it is a bit sparse in the 1950’s. I am ,however, in touch with Sydney Hyams in the hope of clarifying the dates.
Vampire mid-air
Further to the link posted earlier that gives Dennis Mobberley’s version of events is the information I received in writing directly from one of the pilots involved and he stated that it was recorded in his log book as having occurred on 5 April 1952:
Sydney Hyams was one of the pilots in the formation that day and recalls the crash:
“I can confirm from my log book on 5th April 1952 there was a Wing Formation which involved 72, 601 and 603 Squadrons. Wg Cdr Don Kingaby DFC led the formation over the North Sea, consisting of 32 or 33 Vampires Mk 5 fighters.
During our descent from 30,000ft, when approaching Maldon, the order “Dive brakes – Go” was given by the CO. Pilot officer Taylor, who was behind and beneath Sgt Dennis Mobberly, was a little slow in lowering his dive brake control lever with the result that he moved beneath the tail plane in front and his nose rose through the tail plane and caused a wing to collapse. All of this was a few yards away from me to my right, as I was formating on Sgt Mobberly, with Sgt Jimmy Stewart beneath and behind me.
Both Jimmy and I broke away to port and followed the stricken Vampire right to the point of impact in a ploughed field and flew low across another field to wave to Dennis, who appeared to have parachuted safely to earth. Dennis spent two days in Chelmsford hospital with a cut forehead, but was otherwise unhurt and resumed flying. Plt Off Taylor belly landed his Vampire at North Weald, was stripped of his wings and grounded.”
Vampire mid-air
Thank you Peter.
Vampire
According to Air Britain Aeromilitaria 1/82 the other aircraft involved was WA361.
Peter
Just a little confused. Can you clarify your statement ref ‘the other aircraft involved’? Are you able to post up the Aeromilitaria page or provide a full explanation of the context of the reference?
Thanks
Tom
Vampire mid-air
Thanks Wokka Bob,
I knew about the other incident and it is not the one I am trying to pin down.
Pancho Villa
You can find more information about Villa in the book ‘Swift to Battle. Vol.1’ published by Pen & Sword. Several photos of him in the book too.
Walls
Looking very good Cooky. Nice to see the history in photo form so well presented.
Tom
Classic Aircraft
Just had my subscription issue drop through the letterbox with a letter enclosed explaining that CA was being incorporated into Aviation News. Also informed me that I would receive the balance of my subscription (3 copies) as Aviation News plus two further free copies. They also offered an alternative if I did not want AN of Flypast, AFM, Airliner World or Air International. So not all bad news though I will miss Clasic Aircraft in its current form.
Journalism
Quote – Where there was once a source of outstanding professional journalism in the monthly journals , contributors seem now to be enthusiastic amateurs, often with no particular talent in that area, and the fall in quality is very evident, leading to the death spiral of falling sales, falling revenue, cheaper paper, less money for contributors.
When everyone is a journalist, nobody is a journalist.
The above may be true to a degree, however, I think it is unfair to the ‘enthusiastic amateurs’ to denigrate their efforts in any magazine publication. For some the subject is often their overriding passion and they sometimes provide information they have unearthed that was previously unknown or unpublished. If it was not for the ‘enthusiastic amateurs’ starting somewhere where would our serious writers and historians be now – how did the likes of Martin Middlebrook, Norman Franks etc hone their skills (who? I can hear the IT generation ask) and where would our historical knowledge of aviation be without them?
Just the thoughts of one ‘enthusiastic amateur’!
Wreck
Is it an Egyptian Stirling?
60 Sqn
Hi Rick,
Send me your email address and I will send you a 60 Sqn Javelin photo from my collection.
Yours aye
Tom Doc
PS, haven’t you retired yet?