The “Stupid” prices are not offered unless they are sustainable. It isn’t a charity he’s running. The whole formula for their pricing system makes it a business. Accountants would swallow their pencils if the business plan was not sustainable and an ongoing business.
£1 or £100, it still doesn’t give the right of the airline to treat people as cattle.

Nonsense

They are offered, but the price of that ticket is substituted somewhere along the line in the low cost model. In Ryanair’s case this could be anything from not having check-in agents, charging people to use their credit cards, charging for their bags, charging their pilots, yes, their pilots, for their interview, uniform, training, type ratings, and hell, charging them to have their own wages transferred to their bank accounts, also charging hiked last minute booking charges, charging for a proportion of their plane at higher prices. It’s not as black and while as you make it out to be. This is why it is sustainable as a whole, but as a separate entity, and let’s face it, each passenger is a separate entity, charging £1 for a ticket is not sustainable, it never has been and it never will be. You cannot fill up your plane with 135 passengers paying £1 for it’s ticket.
Paying £1 for your ticket I’m afraid does actually mean you are more likely to get treated like cattle, you cannot expect to hitch a ride on a £35m jet, with all it’s associated costs, from fuel, to pilots, cabin crew, airport charges, airways charges yadda yadda for a £1 and then moan your t!ts off when it all goes wrong. You get what you pay for, it really is as simple as that.

Honestly, what a bunch of CHAVs. There’s nothing funny about that. What the hell is wrong with people?

not sure what any of this is to do with the original topic and apologies for the Thread drift.

Because I said in post 2 that JETA1 was essentially diesel and you won’t ignite the leaking fuel and a few decided it was a good idea to turn all pedantic and split hairs 😉

Incidentally the DA42 Twin Star, which is a training aeroplane is the first twin diesel powered training aeroplane, and guess what? It is filled up with Jet A1 😉

There is a wealth of difference between Jet A1 and diesel first of all diesel fuel is meant to ignite when its its compressed as in any car diesel engine it . Jet A1 is easier to ignite than diesel but, its not that easy, it needs an ignition source and to be vaporised , but it does not need to be compressed to ignite it just an ignition source.

in the case of the escape of fuel vapour from the jet wing that would have been easy to ignite should there have been an ignition source in its path.

If JETA1’s vapour can ignite then it figures that if you have a tray of JetA1 giving off vapours (let’s face it, it does give off a vapour even if it’s lying in a tray) then you would be able to light it with a match, but you cannot do this, it has been proven. Just keep a lookout on Discovery Channel for “Seconds From Disaster” about TWA Flight 800 and you will see. The only way they could ignite it when testing if it was actually the centre tank that exploded was to heat it up thus pressurising the tank, and then giving it an ignition source (a shorting circuit) – fact.

The hose nozzle on the vehicle refuelling hose is set to shut down at a predetermined internal aircraft tank pressure somehwere between 25 and 50 psi in old money this ensures the refueller does not over pressurise and damage the aircraft tank, but in this case with escaping fuel, the nozzle would not see any increase in pressure due to the escape, and hence would not shut down automatically. so what we are seeing here is a simple case of overfilling the tank!!

But there must have been a failure in the level control shut off valves for this to happen, because the tank will vent through nacca ducts whilst refuelling anyway to allow any trapped air to escape and stop it pressurising and damaging the tanks. It looks like the fuel is spilling from the surge bay nacca ducts.

Why does AVTUR and Diesel smell so different?

When the wind is in the right direction and a jet takes-off, the smell is not really that unpleasant, however, a lorry in my layby with its engine running is enough to make me want to yak.

Avtur spill smells way different to a diesel spill, is this due to additives?

When I was a nipper I was told jets flew on paraffin, is this now (aka) kerosine? is this now (aka) Avtur which is also (aka) diesel?

Baz

It smells different because the fuel is not absolutely 100% identical, you also have to remember all the additives in JetA1, this will affect the smell & specific gravity etc.

And Paul is spot on – just research TWA Flight 800 and you’ll see how different JetA1 reacts when it’s in an enclosed environment.

lancastermkx JetA1 is Diesel with additives, nothing more, nothing less.

Kev35 is spot in.

I think we all should wear a poppy, and wear it with pride. We must never, ever forget what all those brave men did to secure our freedom and for us to be able to live life as we know it today. Too many people take this for granted. My children’s Grandchildren must know what sacrifices were made.

We must never forget – ever.

Looks like an overfill to be honest, but there should be a shut-off protection valve to stop it overfilling. I am not knowledgeable on the 738 so I might be totally wrong. To be honest JetA1 is just diesel, you wouldn’t be able to set fire to it even if you tried 😉

I’m not too sure it happens “100s of times a day”. Most airline pilots will see out their careers with little or no incident – ever, let alone an engine failure.