Deano

I thought that Moderators were supposed to be a ‘cut above the rest’. Regardless of political beliefs, what happened to respect? NewForest is correct.

If you have a smidgeon of decency, you’ll change the title of the subject to either ‘Lady’ or, Mrs. or, ‘Baroness’.

We’re supposed to be a cut above the rest? We’re expendable assets just like anyone else ;). I’ll edit the thread title to keep the peace 🙂

charlie

Many many apologies. If you look at the posts above it looked like you were responding to John. Post edited

I know of nothing like this in any European Airspace.

Rgds

Dean

It’s not that odd to lower the gear if fast. What you might have been seeing is exactly how bmused described it. In most, if not all modern aircraft you have “landing flap settings”. In other words, a degree of flap that is certified to be used for landing (Flap zero is not one of them for obvious reasons). Based on this, an aircraft, if given speed control will have to slow down and in doing so there will be a flap extension schedule for each stage of flap based on weight (amongst other things). If you extend even the first stage of landing flap without dropping the gear first then you will get the gear warning horn. I think the 737 series landing flap settings start from Flap 15 onwards, so you can go to flap 10 without the gear and thereafter you have to drop the gear before any more flap can be extended without the horn going off. A typical example could be this scenario:

Flap 5 extension speed: 210kts
Flap 10 extension speed: 188kts
Flap 15 extension speed: 173kts

If they were told to maintain 160kts then you see they have to extend flap 15, but because Flap 15 is an approved landing flap setting they will have to take the gear between flap 10 and 15 to prevent the horn going off. If ATC gave them any speed below the flap 15 extension speed, even as far out as 15 miles then they would have to take the gear early to enable them to extend flap 15. Clear as mud?

atr42

You are technically wrong about the Q400. The Q400 is a CAT C aeroplane just like the Airbus 320 series and 737 series. This CAT level is based on it’s Vref speed and the Q400 falls in the same threshold speeds as the airbuses and Boeings. We can keep up with anything whilst being vectored in terminal airspace and the only difference in the flap and gear settings on the Q400 is down to the design of the wing. It doesn’t have a swept wing, but a high aspect ratio wing meaning we can have a fairly low manoeuvring speed before we have to drop the gear “pre landing flap”.

Rgds

Dean

It is more common than one would care to imagine. The laws are ludicrous, if you are at home you have to have a minimum 12hrs rest between duties, if your preceding duty was more than 12hrs then you have to have at least the same amount of time off before starting again, yet when you are away from base in a hotel this rest can be reduced to 11hrs. So you are in an unusual environment, a bed that’s not your own, and usually noisy hotels. I was in Brussels two nights ago, and my room was separated from the one next door by a locked door. The chap in that room snored loudly from 9pm, right through the night until stupid o’clock. I then had to get up and go and fly 5 sectors and do a 12hr duty. Suffice to say today I cannot keep my eyes open.

Amazing video as ever, Angelusky

I got back into BRU at 19:40L from Strasbourg tonight having operated out of here all day. Do you have a link that is in English at all?

Thanks MSR, really appreciated. Bad times for all involved.

Yes it’s happening, mainly made up of pilots, cabin crew & engineers. We’ve started the 90 day consultation period already.