:confused: …Or just that mrs holty wont let him over the computer…Does he have a wife :confused:

…or can it have something to do with the resent events in Germany :confused: :rolleyes: 😎

holty, can you hear me?
Can you feel me near you?
holty can see me?
Can I help to cheer you?

holty, holty, holty, holty…..holty, holty, hotly, holty, holty, holty

Their was (plenty) of terrorism when their was no wall. The wall was only recently built.

I used the wall as a reference to the whole opression…

Why not stop importing ever more effective weapons (at least temporarily), and try peace and negotiations for a few years ? If it does not work, simply begin importing weapons again ! – Take the funds and donations for weapons, and build and invest in civilian industry, to grow the local economy.

Agreed, but same goes for Israel…they need to show palestinians that they are also willingness to go for the peacefull solution. Both side needs to step back, not just one.

….now I know why americans are blaimed to be the most nonhumoristic country in the world…

I said, like we say in here.. so there’s your context…We finns often use (as we have the ability of selfirony) the word stubborness day when refering our own independence day. It’s a wordplay, Itsenaisyys=Indebendence, Itsepaisyys=stubborness…the words are very similar and if you think it without any passion, they actually means almoust the same. So it’s funny to us, but apparently not funny to americans…yor lost 😉

If their were no terrorist attacks, their would be no walls. It is a very simple concept.

And if there is no wall there is no terrorism…Thats the whole point of this sad situation. Someone has to turn the other cheak and as the palestinian agression is so unorganized, it needs to be Israel. Only they can solve the proplem. If they suddenly start doing what I’m suggesting, would it imidiatly end the terrorism? Ofcourse not, but in a long run (and we need to see things in wider perspective) it will bare a fruit…

You think they haven’t tried? How can they developt a economical infranstructure if Israel is building walls around them, denying palestinians basic human rights by restricting their moving between the different separate areas? Or denying them to work in Israel? Palestinians aren’t moarning without reason…

You want my enlighment…Stop the opression, stop building new settlements, tear down the old ones, TEAR DOWN THE WALLS!!! If giving more of your precious land is too much, then start treating palestinains as normal humas, give them equal rights as jews have.

The ball is in the biggerones lap. Israel have coused the whole proplem, they are responsiple for sorting it out. Only way to get rid of the terrorism is provide meaningfull living conditions to palestinians and they cannot do it under the current opression.

Normal palestinians, normal people…you know, the vast majority of worlds population…

Now, we aren’t blind. We know that many Palestinians elected them because they were sick and tired of the corruption in Fatah, and not because they are very sympathetic of Hamas. Ok, so we understand that – but they still knew that they were electing an organization which will continue the Intifada and won’t work in the direction of peace, so why should we give a damn? the corruption is their internal problem, while the consequences of Hamas’ elections do concern us. The fact still remains that they got a terror organization as their government – and that’s unacceptable.

The most weirdest thing in this and many other situation is that somehow Israel and those supporting it fails to see the reasons behind acts. When rats keeps constantly invading your house, you wont gain nothing just by focusing on traps…You need to know why the rats are coming and make the neccerical adjustments in order to fix the proplem permanetly…So when palestinians choose Hamas and various organisations makes a terrorist attacks agaisnt Israel, you gain nothing by just hitting back and revenge it to the palestinian civils. You need to see the proplems core and fix the situation and conditions that causes terrorism…Look in the mirror and admitt your wrongdoings and make the best of fixing it…you might get suprized what effects it have in the terrorism field…

Without any sarcasm and hidden indications…Happy stubbornness day (like we say in here.. 😉 ) Have fun…