Well world of 1940’s was bit different for one of todays. Back in then US did good job of supporting the red army to defeat fasism and liberating europe, but that has little to do todays events. Back then there was enemy, that could have not been tamed otherwise than whit brutal military force.

Today there is an enemy that follows totally different path and actually breeds from all the hars military actions taken against it. I beleive that US and Israeli goverments knows exactly how terrorism works, where it comes from and what ignites it….I just cannot beleive that so high ranking people migth be so naive and fundamental as most of you americans are in here….maybe Bush is but not the ones behind him.

PS. And what comes to our fear of terrorism, I think I can sleep pretty well as we dont have proplems whit etnical minorityes, we dont practice imperialism, we dont support it, we dont destroy small countyes as we chace our national intrests and we dont occupy (the word mayby strange for you, but if you try word ‘liberating’, you’ll get waht i mean) anyone’s land….

Are you serious about this? Would you say that you’re above average interested in psychology?

No, only that i think i have that mentioned creative mind and when the moment of creation becomes, It doesent call for out going circumstances. I have left school, waken in middle of the nigth….personal experience 😀 😀

Try lizzard, Pig, cat, Pig-cat or plain animal or dog that I use for mine….

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As I said, individuals who have certain intellectual features don’t necessarily have to display them (or show them off) when they’re working in an environment which has little or nothing to do with those things. Many people may think it’s best to keep their profession and their spare time interests apart.

Yeas but beeing creative, able to actually create something that one migth call art isent thing that you can set aside during the work, its a feeling constantly present and quite dominating one. You canot stop your attack as you have sompulary need to begun writing….Creative minds are usually more unpredictable and thats what i think they try to rule out.

I see. But why do they care so much about artistic abilities? I can’t see any reason why such things should be suppressed or kept out. I think that freedom of mind makes it easier to relax, which again enables most people to be more effective when working. Strong opposition against the current political and/or social system is something different, but I for one have never faced any tests or questions about political preferences, only social studies

In finland, they ask ones political orientations as well as other orientations by clewerly hidden questions. There are some more direct ones asking directly about military defence of finland and wheter the candinate feels about it and is he/she ready to serve extra time as to be trained as NCO.

And the the legendary, have you ever wanted to open a flower shop or does the cirlce squeze around your head :rolleyes: 🙂

Most people who have passed through the same type of selection and who are working with the same tasks in the same environment usually share a number of qualities which their profession requires. In a professional environment you often get to experience only a limited number of their sides, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t have other personal traits. I can’t remember having seen too many people acting out in full bloom while on the job, simply because there is no need. When working, many people wish to present themselves as they wish for others to perceive them in the given context

Well I tend to watch how people could be categorised into some box or jar…maybe its a charectaristic to me only, but i do that sometimes, I did it in the army days….and It was suprisingly how lot easyer it was compared to other cirlces where I have tryed to do the same…..

I’m glad to see that your written English is starting to improve, although I’ve never had any serious problems understanding the content of your posts.

well it should not. No one learns language overnigth or improve it on internet discussion…better say, i have a good day now, and a bad day yesterday 😉

Phantom, I have never tryed to insult you, just pointed out that I’m not native english speaker and I found it offencive that the ones that are come and pick on me over that matter, exspecially when they doesen’t have anything else meaningless to say. If I would begun to pick on someone foreing that he doesent speak proper finnish, It would make me look among my country man an arrogant brick….How about in your country??

Secondly, who said we are all whining that our politics are hated so much. This is a case of getting a country back on its feet after toppling a hated dictator. You can all hate America and that’s fine with me….I don’t really care what you think of my country one way or the other…….but in the end we ended the rule of a truly evil dictator and opened up the doors for someone else to take his place so that they may lead Iraq to a better future. Can anyone here honestly say that Iraq was better off with Saddam Hussein in power? If you think you can, then please go ask a Kurdish family who had a relative gassed by Saddam’s forces or a Shiite family who had someone carried away simply for being a different type of Muslim than Saddam…..

But the rigth ot determ everyones own fate belongs to Iraqis, You cannot be so naive that you think US have some mandate of heaven to determ what is wrong and what is rigth. You never even gave the Iraqies a change to rebel. All the foreing sanctions and pressure only made the people turn invards and believe all the propaganda that all bad comes from outside. If they would have left alone, I think similar thing that happened in Serbia would have taken place….

Then there is the whole “normal small” issue…….what exactly makes a “normal” country. Are we not allowed to be normal because we are a larger country? Are China and Russia not normal countries? Neither of them is small in any sense of the word….

Ones that dont wage wars, and dont run after their national intrest in manners that make people die. Ones that beleive in normal, peacefull co-operation and mutual co-existance in order to make world better place.

In sligthly exagerate methaphore: Ones that live among others in same way that we normal people live whit our own neighbours…You dont see normal people attacking some poor family when the husband beats the wife by torching their house on fire and drive the kids to beg in the streets…only to make the wife live in freedom? You need to call the police, not act one by your own and in the same time unite his estate to yours…

So how would you propose to end the reign of terrorism both against the Iraqi people and against those worldwide? Perhaps we can talk to them and reason with them? is that the course of action you would prefer to take?

Good start would be begun to follow UN resolutions, accept the UN international war crime tribunal, END tortuing people in jails where they are sended whitout any legal reason and held there whitout even change to dream after fair justice….
Try to think what couses the terrorism and fix the prolonged difficuolties in horizontal elements of the sosiety. …end supporting the zionist apartheid policy and wall-building among all other stuff that are merely based on 6000 year old fairy-tales.

I think Israelies and US knows this, but making it work would end the high govermantals to be replaced whit new ones and lost all the intresting ‘co-incidental’ oil deals that seems to follow when ever you guys decide to ‘liberate’ some nation from big bad terrorist…..

Well there is offcourse exception to all rules and yeas to this one as well. And im not saying that the ones that serve in military are bad personalityes, only that they aren’t representing the artistic and intellectual core of the sosiety as well as they could. I dont know exactly what test the norwegian army does, but in here the test clearly check out peolpe that have some artistic skills or are propaple to guestion authorityes and perhaps the motives of some possiple conflict.
And I think thats very good, becouse I wont like to work whit officers that migth do some weird stuff while on battle field, start making decissions too much out of their own head, and not from overal strategical principles. Its not meaning the innovatively, which is different what I think than beeing able to see behind the goverment offical propaganda ….wheter there is one or not 😉

Look, some of your previous statements show that you tend to paint a relatively large and complex group of individuals with a single colour. It’s like you’re trying to say that all these people form a homogenous mass with no distinct features – that they’re all just a group of humble “meat and potato guys” or something. I can’t see why you’re having such trouble realising that you’re virtually looking down on each and every one of these people as a bunch of mediocre individuals who hardly possess anything worthy of your respect and admiration.

discussion of this matter needs some sort of generalization, whitout some, we cannot discuss it perfectly. There are exception and You and I know it, but tracking them down would only blurr the issue and tie it to unnesseryly off topic. We need to look the big mass that can be found, when studying large ammount of people, otherwise we can just call it out.
Expecially in this case, when militaryes do some serious psychological testing in order to get the rigth personalityes to work as officers. And that gives even clearlyer borders and fences to the group of people that work as officers and that’s pretty eaysy to spot by simple individual mind interacting whit this group of people. I dont know from you, But atleast to me it was quite clear. So in order to discuss the topic, what make some military mens better by determing the sosiety where they work and live, You cannot discuss the situation by looking only individuals and deliberatly track down the statistical errors that always find their way in to the flock.

Like i said humans are all the same in different ways and manners.

And to J Boyle, I agree, better not generalise too much…if you dont know what you are doing

Well me using my own language is just to demonstrate how offensive i find that native english speakers come and comment my language skills altough they know quite well that my motherlanguage is quite different than theirs. I don’t mock their finnish skills and those picking grammar mistakes are the ones that usually first run out of anything else to say.

Also, if you want ot be picky on language issues, your post contains several orthographic mistakes.

I never ever have been picking others about their language skills, Hell I’m the one that have to suffer from that. We all come form different parts of the world and suprize, suprize there are other languages than english and not all of us master it well. If the forum rules ecpect you to write only perfect english, then you can propaply kick half of us out…