Our own currently serving ice breakers




Kapitan Khlebnikov
Kapitan Dranitsyn
the biggest, Taymur
Krasin
well it would have displaced some 45,000 tons in full load, 286 meters x 34 meters size whit 8 100mm Mod 53 guns and masurcas SAM…two 75 meter catabults, 200m x ?? x ?? hangar…
But didnt somebody had scanner and Conways all the world fighting ships? there is line drawing of the desing…I have to book, but not the scanner…
Nice!!!
Is there any scetches or artistic impressions availble from the Corvette design?
somebody said that Foch/clemenceau has Mitchell-Brown’s 52m catabults. Is this just alternative designation or alterned information…
Thougth more related to Chinese defence matters, Our Sinodefenceforum has decent punch of more wider scope of service mans from various land forces….Including myself, an artillery reservist from finnish army…Im more than happy to share my experiences whit Soviet and finnish made field guns whit any new members that comes to SDF…no matter how rudely offtopic it would seem, artillery is never off-topic in there ๐ ๐
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Thougth more related to Chinese defence matters, Our Sinodefenceforum has decent punch of more wider scope of service mans from various land forces….Including myself, an artillery reservist from finnish army…Im more than happy to share my experiences whit Soviet and finnish made field guns whit any new members that comes to SDF…no matter how rudely offtopic it would seem, artillery is never off-topic in there ๐ ๐
Offcourse there is the http://www.defencetalk.com , our partner site…
Gollevainen, here is another picture showing both types (A-4s and SUE) on deck.
Deck, hangar, catapult and elevator modifications took place, as you correctly posted, after 1982.
Both types were flown alongside for a while, couple of years, and apparently there was no incompatibility problem with the A-4 launch system (IRCC, the A-4 uses the same cable system as the SUE).
But by 1987 ARA 25 de Mayo was on her last leg, and she sailed under own steam for the last time in 1988. She was decomissioned in 1995 and towed to Aalang in 1999. End of story.Her boilers, drivetrain and screws were tired, and she had become slow (may be too slow to launch a fully loaded SUE, as suggested on this topic).
Summarizing, the only reason there are few pictures of SUEยดs on her deck, is because she only hosted them for a couple of years. May be less than a 100 days at sea, or so.
The ARA nowadays trains carrier operations (take-off, landing, fleet defense, etc) on MB Sao Paolo (ex- MN Foch), while ARA pilots still do their carrier qualifyng on American carriers (T-45 Goshawk?) . IRCC touch and goes were practiced on old MB Minas Gerais (Colossus type) and on various American carriers (the SUE not being able to land, due to the impossibility of launching again, here the different catapult system the USNavy uses being the reason).
King Jester
So we can say that the reason why SUE’s couldnt operate from 25 de Mayo were due the proplems of the ships powerplant, and not that whole Class of ex-RN ligth fleet carriers couldn’t field the plane, as long as there would have been proper take-off&landing devices.
Thanks, you all have enlightened me alot, over this matter…things arent always what they seems to be, eh? ๐
Thanks….now all we need is some distant war to support our intress and all these latest new toys can be tested in reality…
…tough this later might actually help us in back home, to be able to sweep the air more effectly over the endless ammount of nothing (woods and swamps) that we currently posses ๐
anyway, here’s a link about the CASAs: http://www.mil.fi/ilmavoimat/tiedotteet/2038.dsp
So there isen’t any aircraft hangar after all? :confused:
Meitsi on tainnu nukkua tรคn ohi….Or as in london speach, Once again Golly have ignored the happenings in back home…Could you provide the orginal finnish links?
This thing reminds me, where there any discussion over the decicion of Finnish Airforce to aquire the EADS CASA C-295M to replace the Fokker F27s…?
well this boiler proplem…any cahnge to beeing related to the fact that the orginal Karel Doorman’s boilers did suffer some fire (the reason the Dutch whitdrew her) and that the boilers from HMS Levithan fitted for substitute werent working OK?? …or was it genaral fault of the whole Colossus/majstetic classes?
Thanks for the info…about the pics, they where from some argentinian forum and I don’t understand spanish so it’s all my fault, I should have chekced it up before posting…too eager i were…:o
The most interesting thing conserning this vessels history is the rumours that the hull was orginally a cancelled project 1153 Aircraft carrier. The hull lenght supports this clame as Titan is 265 meters long and Kirovs are only 252 meters long. Propaply only few know data about the 1153 states that it was to bee 265 meters long too so….who knows?
…propaply some dude… :confused:
well then there is the option of Danmark’s idea, to have sinlge hull to function n various different purpose such as patrol or MCM…kinda remainding of the Old pre wwII Soviet SRK idea of the Uragan class torbedo boas whit minesweeping gear…
Anyway sofar we only have nice little sweepers of KUHA class of 90 tons…I would like to see some dedicated minehunters for change…after all we are the likely candinate to clear our waters from our own mines if we ever have to lay them…