I saw them on the news and they kind of reminded me of that American group Kiss.

Well the whole band is propaply the entire finnish Kiss-appreciation society…atlest the lead singer is the president of the club….

well like I already said there migth be two extra Haminas coming…and i remember catching some rumours about new minesweepers…
Ofcourse I would like to see some replacements for the Karjala and Turunmaa corvettes…
But if we speculate by following the current trends, some sort of transport ship migth come next, similar to Danish Absalon class in concept…Anyway this as a educated quess as the parialamentary elections are coming and switch to the rigth (and NATO 🙁 ) migth be anticipated….

The poor thing is beeing hel by the Navy in order to use as presentator for possiple byers. There migth be civilian use for it as its become the latest fasion to cross the gulf of finland as fast as possiple from Helsinki to Tallin…and passenger hovercrft seems attractively novel idea that someone whit enough money could convert it…If it is, Im defianetly going to use it in my trips to the Estonia.

but no, we dont operate any other sort of hovercrafts 😡 🙁 Too bad that would have been nice thing to boast whit in the international naval circles…and effective weapon, in FAC and transport versions in our coastlines…

So Golle, do you mean that Tornio already has the VLS system fitted? Or just that she was already prepared to receive those missiles (and hence this contract was just a matter of time?), I do recall the non-fitted Umkhonto modules on the South African Meko’s which is indeed looked pretty similar to this.
So what’s with her SSMs? Would be pointless to sacrifice those for the Umkhonto, as that would actually make Tornio a patrol boat against fishery or something. Without any anti-ship capabilities, she would just be a boat with self defence, but no real use (except for being a bait).
I’m waiting for those other shots of Tornio, she does indeed look much different from Hamina. And how about the third unit that was ordered? Did it get through?

Well honestly im not sure. Someone claimed that it is already fitted and the pics sure do look like that there are some sort of ‘tubes’ in there…But thats the place where the missiles are to be fitted. the SSMs are to be placed in the traditional rear positon fashion of our FACs so i dont think they sacrifice any of the SSMs. Most of our FACs sails whit less missiles than maxium
And if the rumours are correct, they should get the Mk3 version of the RBS-15 which would make them even more dedlyer..

And im not sure either wheter there is going to be another pair. Some books like the latest weyer indicates that two more are planned, but I have not seen any info of any beeing building. But then again I wasent even aware of the commisioning of the Tornio untill i saw it’s pics…guess i should keep my eyes open more on the home front as well…

THe african MEKO 360 is the Nigerian frigate Aradu, only other option would have been the argentinian ships, but the Otomat launchers atop the superstructure gave it away…nice to see pics of the ship, i tought it was laid up already…

The VSL is for the umokhoto SAM, SSMs are fitted in the rear but are absent from this boat which is the Tornio [81].

If you wondering why it looks different than previous pics, It’s becouse they where from the class leadship Hamina [74] Which didn’t have the umokhoto fitted and have a 40mm in place of the 57mm…I will try to find out wheter it will be similary fitted as the Tornio

here’s a pic of Hamina:

well they displace some 268 tons of water by full load, are 50.8 meter long and 8.5 meters width and draft is only 1.5 meters…so they can go in wery swallow waters. Orginally it was planned to have four of these and punch of howercraft FACs but somehow our politicans decided that howercrafts are no good in participating NATO -led invasions of some poor third-world countryes so they were cutt of…and as usuall, whitout no replacement desing
The actual Hamina boats are futher devolpment of the older Helsinki and Rauma class missile FACs and are wery imaginary named after our coastal cities…as are all other naval vessels, effectively killing the old heritage of naval units naming….
Im not sure about their combat data system…lately I have been more intressed about other nations navyes than our own…but i will check it out. They are armed, now whit the Umokhoto SAM and RBS-15mk3 SSMs as well as Bofors 57mm/70 Dual purpose gun instead of the 40mm fitted in completion of the lead boat.

well its rather easy to say that ban the animal testing when the issue isent relevant to you. none of your loved ones isent dying to a deiciese that could be only cured by some new drug that still needs testing wheter its safe. Its easy to rally for animal rigths when your doing OK by yourself and no real proplems are bothering. all animal rigth BS is just enterteiment to rich brats out of better doing than weeping after cute furry animals. if the testing would be made to pythons, snails, slugs or sewer vermits, I think the reactions would be lot mellower than it is now whit dogs, rabbits or mouses that can be found on normal homes as well.

And all the real questions behind this issue should be the determing of animal value.

And as for what we should use instead of animals, there are plenty of murderers, rapists, muggers, paedophiles, robbers, joy riders, drunk drivers, burglars, terrorists and all round general scum in our jails to keep the medical research industry going for a few years yet without having to murder one single animal

and then we have obinions like this one to completely fuzzing the issue…but at the same time tooking it back to its roots. So I have a question to you, what makes that single animals life more ‘valuable’ than human life?

Do you personally feel it good, when busted on driwing only little drunken to be tornmented by varios drug tests?