Secondly, your analigy is good, but critically flawed. You see, contrary to your assertions, in real life, experience IS lost. How many seamen do you know who have served for 50 years and is still operational? Crews come and go with time, and experience is lost with the men, knowledge is not. Knowledge is recorded in manuals, and manuals can be bought. If the PLAN is serious about getting carriers, then its a safe bet to say that they would have paid the russians good money for their carrier operations knowledge in the form of manuals, direct training in russian accademies and in the field (as China did when they bought flankers), and all those detailed operations related questions the PLAN delegation were asking their brizilian hosts about carreirs would also help etc.

That isen’t entirely true. It’s for fact that experience is tied to person, but the experience and skills are gained somehow and that first hand knowlidge and knowhow is passed on othervise than just in manuals.
If you have been in the army, you know what i’m talking about. For instance during my service, I quite quickly adapted several little things of everyday “survivor” exspecially those applyed in the outdoor training (eg. be in the “woods”) When i later own talked these things with my Fahter, he just laughed and told that they did the exact same things back in the early 70’s when he was in army…So things, little things that ultimately makes the difference passes on althoug none smart-ass byrocrat haven’t writen them down to some manual…

…So you cannot minimalize the expereince that Indians enjoy in this field. I belive that none here is stating that Chinese will be doomed for inferior carrier operations, but it’s undenyable fact that they have to learn a lots of thing from the scrahts..just like Indians did when they bough the Vikrant decades ago…

I did used to have a partial cutaway of Kuznetsov that showed the canted launch tubes of the P-700 VLS and how far back they intrude into the spaces, I believe, should be preserved for the hangar. The laptop that it was saved on was lifted by some little oik from my car outside Farnborough station a few months back though so I’m sorry I cant service that request?!.

Of course you are correct that any major modification to a hull such as the VLS removal will require time in a yard to accomplish, but, its not that much of a chore. The removal of the GWS.30 Sea Dart system from the Invincible boats is at least comparable and that was, relatively, painless!.

Removing these missiles is one thing, making the room fit for Hangar is another. Now were your pic from side or above? Becouse if it was from aside, you wont be able to determ how wide the space formerly occupated by missiles is. And thats thing I been talking about all along. The widen that space so that it could be used as a hangar would require dramatical changes for the supporting structures of the flight deck…

Clint

North or South

3. Raw finnish Koskenkorva Vodka straigth out of lips of the bottle…(any thing fancyer is for ladyes and… :diablo: :rolleyes: :p 😮 😀 :dev2: 😉 )

It’s Wasp class LHA Nassau…and what do you mean small marine carrier? I think a 257 meter amphibious ship is quite big…

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me or you

Becouse it’s a forced solution, or more likely a unexpected change to have convetional planes onboard Soviet carriers.

Back when Soviets were planning followers to Kiev class, there were a bit struggle between different schools about the aviation assets onboard the new ship. The dominant school was lobbying V/STOL aircrafts and many high ranking soviet decicionmakers had far too optimistic and oversized image about V/STOL planes capapilityes. That side eventually won the catabult/convetional aircraft- side and Kuznetsov was launched without steamcatabults. It was fitted however a ski-jump so that the new Yak-41 (which was to form the bulk of it’s fixedwing aviation) could take-off with more efficient warload.
The big size of the carrier made some genious think, could a high-thrust conventional jet take-off from the ski-jump? It can if the thrust-to-weight ratio is better than 1 and the newest soviet fighters, MiG-29 and Su-27 had the required thrust. So it opened a change to field a squardon of Flankers onboard alongside with the Freestyle.

Why no one else use it? It’s becouse the STOBAR arragment is able to launch only very high-performance fighters with limited load, not ideal for Powerprotection work. It limits the operational use of it’s aircroup to close-range airdefence leaving no change for air-to-ground operations.

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doperman or rotweiler