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  • in reply to: General Discussion #340796
    Gollevainen
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    This doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Back in 1999, west didn’t gave Serbia any change to avoid the war. They offered a “peace treaty” which would have allowed NATO troops to not only to Kosovo, but to enter Serbia soil as well. That’s a “deal” that no independent nation could not tolerate. NATO/West knew this but they didn’t offer any treaty option which would have been acceptable by the Serbs. It’s quite clear evidence that west didn’t even wanted a peacfull solution to the kosovo crises. Remember the ethnical purification of Kosovo started really only after NATO bombings and west knew this. Now the Serbia was acting just like the western media had bashed it before the actual war and sort of gave afterward justification to the whole campaing, which ultimate goal was to overthrown Milochevic from power. This couldn’t be done by negotations so west didn’t give the peace a change…

    If it still doesen’t make sense to you, then it’s beond my reach…i can only give you facts..if you decide to not belive them, it’s up to you…

    NATO personnel stated that the situation was very complex and perplexive and that they did not single out the Bosnian Serbs or the Croatian Serbs as the only troublemakers in the region. However, the extent of Republika Srpska’s aggression, strategic potential and momentum (Bihac, Sarajevo, Srebrenica etc.) lead the UNSC, including certain non-Western member countries, to authorise military action against Croatian Serb and Bosnian Serb targets

    Thus giving aircover and other avantage to Croatian troops and set them free to do their own warcrimes…But like you article said, West haven’t forgoten them…just did nothing to prevent them. The whole dissolution war of Yugoslavia would have had a completely different end if West woudn’t be so eager to crash Yugoslavia. One of the biggest mistake was the shortminded push to get Bosnia-hertsegovia, almoust completly unrealistic country to announce it’s independence…

    You’re absolutely right. Don’t shoot yourself in the foot.

    I’m not, you see i am not denying the warcrimes and other misconducts of Milochevic and other serbian participants. I’m just trying to bring out that Serbs weren’t the only ones acting badly…perhaps it’s the frustration to my homecountrys biased media which treats Serbs as nation like it was some sort of Satan’s fllower pac…

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939287
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    This doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Back in 1999, west didn’t gave Serbia any change to avoid the war. They offered a “peace treaty” which would have allowed NATO troops to not only to Kosovo, but to enter Serbia soil as well. That’s a “deal” that no independent nation could not tolerate. NATO/West knew this but they didn’t offer any treaty option which would have been acceptable by the Serbs. It’s quite clear evidence that west didn’t even wanted a peacfull solution to the kosovo crises. Remember the ethnical purification of Kosovo started really only after NATO bombings and west knew this. Now the Serbia was acting just like the western media had bashed it before the actual war and sort of gave afterward justification to the whole campaing, which ultimate goal was to overthrown Milochevic from power. This couldn’t be done by negotations so west didn’t give the peace a change…

    If it still doesen’t make sense to you, then it’s beond my reach…i can only give you facts..if you decide to not belive them, it’s up to you…

    NATO personnel stated that the situation was very complex and perplexive and that they did not single out the Bosnian Serbs or the Croatian Serbs as the only troublemakers in the region. However, the extent of Republika Srpska’s aggression, strategic potential and momentum (Bihac, Sarajevo, Srebrenica etc.) lead the UNSC, including certain non-Western member countries, to authorise military action against Croatian Serb and Bosnian Serb targets

    Thus giving aircover and other avantage to Croatian troops and set them free to do their own warcrimes…But like you article said, West haven’t forgoten them…just did nothing to prevent them. The whole dissolution war of Yugoslavia would have had a completely different end if West woudn’t be so eager to crash Yugoslavia. One of the biggest mistake was the shortminded push to get Bosnia-hertsegovia, almoust completly unrealistic country to announce it’s independence…

    You’re absolutely right. Don’t shoot yourself in the foot.

    I’m not, you see i am not denying the warcrimes and other misconducts of Milochevic and other serbian participants. I’m just trying to bring out that Serbs weren’t the only ones acting badly…perhaps it’s the frustration to my homecountrys biased media which treats Serbs as nation like it was some sort of Satan’s fllower pac…

    in reply to: Searching for the most bizare plane ever… #2570229
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    Saab 21

    In piston…
    http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/saabj21.jpg

    …and whit jet
    http://web.telia.com/~u13206896/images/saab_j_21r.jpg

    in reply to: General Discussion #340952
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    Sorry my mistake, but from the way I see it a crime is a crime no matter what the number is. With reference to this topic, why does Milosevic must go through with this trial while others from America can get away with their wrong doings?

    winners justice, winners justice…

    the issue should be on to try to improve the international juricicacy and triall practice…that would involve ALL nations and political leader…Good thing to dream about but in reality, No change…we need to grow as a specie before we can achieve that. So what can we do now is to make more and more people in west to realise how they are NOT living in paradise and that what their media and leaders say isent the truth and how our freedom is mere smoke and shaddow to our eyes.

    But I think now Golly has lifted his political stone over his shoulder (good thing to do in time to time) And golly can now focus on more lighter issues 😎

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939327
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    Sorry my mistake, but from the way I see it a crime is a crime no matter what the number is. With reference to this topic, why does Milosevic must go through with this trial while others from America can get away with their wrong doings?

    winners justice, winners justice…

    the issue should be on to try to improve the international juricicacy and triall practice…that would involve ALL nations and political leader…Good thing to dream about but in reality, No change…we need to grow as a specie before we can achieve that. So what can we do now is to make more and more people in west to realise how they are NOT living in paradise and that what their media and leaders say isent the truth and how our freedom is mere smoke and shaddow to our eyes.

    But I think now Golly has lifted his political stone over his shoulder (good thing to do in time to time) And golly can now focus on more lighter issues 😎

    in reply to: General Discussion #340978
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    NATO Update – Week of 19-23 March 1999 – Kosovo:

    comon Are you seriously saying that west no choise over Kosovon matter?

    One of the greatest ‘If’ in post-cold war history is what would have the results of the pre-war negotations been if west would have bothered to even try to make deal with serbinas that could have been accetable. West outcluded peacefull option out of the table long before the war begun, Still knowing that Serbia and Stubborn Slobo would have no choice over the matter than to use dirty tactics. West wanted this so they could have ovverun the fact that their war was illegal from the start. West knew exactly that the real ethnical purifications would begun if they would push Serbia to do it, But they still werent thinking of solutions in the negotation procces, only to give their warmachine time to injust to the situation.

    One of the greatest stubidity of West is that they think that any Balkan crisis could be easily solved by siding unanimous to one side of the conflict and claim the other as total monster…And what that have resulted? Opressed becomes the opressor and ten to fifty years from now and We can do the whole thing again, Only this time it would be the Albanians doing the dirty part… The mistake was made in Bosnia and Croatia as well, West jsut heard first about Serbian cruelty and somehow worked the whole situation to their allready extincing model of seeing the ‘good guys’ and the ‘bad guys’ and If Serbs where the bad guys, Then the all other participants had to be good and West could simply close their eyes on their ‘favorites’ warcrimes…

    So those who want live in black and white world can feast to Slobos death as much as they wishes, i couldnt care less…I wait untill few good chosen ‘western hero’ dies also in cold, alone and misery. I raise my toast only then along with th many other in this worl…

    Like I said before world isent balck and white

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939346
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    NATO Update – Week of 19-23 March 1999 – Kosovo:

    comon Are you seriously saying that west no choise over Kosovon matter?

    One of the greatest ‘If’ in post-cold war history is what would have the results of the pre-war negotations been if west would have bothered to even try to make deal with serbinas that could have been accetable. West outcluded peacefull option out of the table long before the war begun, Still knowing that Serbia and Stubborn Slobo would have no choice over the matter than to use dirty tactics. West wanted this so they could have ovverun the fact that their war was illegal from the start. West knew exactly that the real ethnical purifications would begun if they would push Serbia to do it, But they still werent thinking of solutions in the negotation procces, only to give their warmachine time to injust to the situation.

    One of the greatest stubidity of West is that they think that any Balkan crisis could be easily solved by siding unanimous to one side of the conflict and claim the other as total monster…And what that have resulted? Opressed becomes the opressor and ten to fifty years from now and We can do the whole thing again, Only this time it would be the Albanians doing the dirty part… The mistake was made in Bosnia and Croatia as well, West jsut heard first about Serbian cruelty and somehow worked the whole situation to their allready extincing model of seeing the ‘good guys’ and the ‘bad guys’ and If Serbs where the bad guys, Then the all other participants had to be good and West could simply close their eyes on their ‘favorites’ warcrimes…

    So those who want live in black and white world can feast to Slobos death as much as they wishes, i couldnt care less…I wait untill few good chosen ‘western hero’ dies also in cold, alone and misery. I raise my toast only then along with th many other in this worl…

    Like I said before world isent balck and white

    in reply to: General Discussion #341245
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    So Gollevainen the testimonies of all those he tried to kill and the families of the dead are lying? I think not, you know as well as I do he was as guilty as hell

    he was quilty Oh yeas, but not to all charges. To keep him responsipility to Bosnian Serbs and krajinas Serbs massacures, Would automatically (if follows the same logic) lead Reagan to guilty of All Saddams actions. While he supported Iraq in the 80’s, in same manner that Slobo suported serbs.

    But most importantly should not have been judged by the winners whos own war leaders at the same moment benefits from immunity…it just provens UNs juricicadys faults and the two-faceness of western world. you see things arent always black and white…

    what does this have to do with Bush? you’re very bad at staying on topic

    well read better what i wrote…Someone brougth god as judge to this issue and I just pointed out that this same god did few months ago declared that he is on bush side…so I automaticly assumed that He would have been on Clinton (the one who bombed Serbia) side as well…But Pardon me If you know more about Gods stands in US political field

    Sarcasm isent our prime sport tonigth, eh?

    he WOULD have been declared guilty is not good enough and because of that people like you bring up the fact that “techincally” he isn’t guilty since he is now dead. i wanted him to live and be there hearing his verdict

    well in that case blame those who didnt let him to go to russia and to get medical care….not me i just point out the hippocracy of western realms, thats all…

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939431
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    So Gollevainen the testimonies of all those he tried to kill and the families of the dead are lying? I think not, you know as well as I do he was as guilty as hell

    he was quilty Oh yeas, but not to all charges. To keep him responsipility to Bosnian Serbs and krajinas Serbs massacures, Would automatically (if follows the same logic) lead Reagan to guilty of All Saddams actions. While he supported Iraq in the 80’s, in same manner that Slobo suported serbs.

    But most importantly should not have been judged by the winners whos own war leaders at the same moment benefits from immunity…it just provens UNs juricicadys faults and the two-faceness of western world. you see things arent always black and white…

    what does this have to do with Bush? you’re very bad at staying on topic

    well read better what i wrote…Someone brougth god as judge to this issue and I just pointed out that this same god did few months ago declared that he is on bush side…so I automaticly assumed that He would have been on Clinton (the one who bombed Serbia) side as well…But Pardon me If you know more about Gods stands in US political field

    Sarcasm isent our prime sport tonigth, eh?

    he WOULD have been declared guilty is not good enough and because of that people like you bring up the fact that “techincally” he isn’t guilty since he is now dead. i wanted him to live and be there hearing his verdict

    well in that case blame those who didnt let him to go to russia and to get medical care….not me i just point out the hippocracy of western realms, thats all…

    in reply to: General Discussion #341260
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    well its your proplem then… 😉
    Im only stating how moraly silly all the western ranting over milotsevics case were…douple standards and that…But Guess you can sleep your nigths well as they was hardly a change of suprise in the Courts verdict….He would have been declaread guilty anyways….like it usually happens in winners justice

    It would have benefitted balkan lot better If he would have been judged in Serbian court. Now he will remain as some sort of Martyr to serb nationalism as well as it would have remain if He would have been ever verdicted in the UN ‘unbiased’ and ‘independent’ court

    But let your God have his own court if it pleases you…You see he (the god) has already told that he is on Bush side, so guess the heavenly justice goes on whit same tracks as in this life… :diablo: :diablo:

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939439
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    well its your proplem then… 😉
    Im only stating how moraly silly all the western ranting over milotsevics case were…douple standards and that…But Guess you can sleep your nigths well as they was hardly a change of suprise in the Courts verdict….He would have been declaread guilty anyways….like it usually happens in winners justice

    It would have benefitted balkan lot better If he would have been judged in Serbian court. Now he will remain as some sort of Martyr to serb nationalism as well as it would have remain if He would have been ever verdicted in the UN ‘unbiased’ and ‘independent’ court

    But let your God have his own court if it pleases you…You see he (the god) has already told that he is on Bush side, so guess the heavenly justice goes on whit same tracks as in this life… :diablo: :diablo:

    in reply to: General Discussion #341269
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    He was the Saddam Hussein of Eastern Europe

    hardly…remember it was Serbian opposition that overruled him from the power…not american “liberators”…A dictator, yeas but a little midge compared to Saddam…

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939446
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    He was the Saddam Hussein of Eastern Europe

    hardly…remember it was Serbian opposition that overruled him from the power…not american “liberators”…A dictator, yeas but a little midge compared to Saddam…

    in reply to: General Discussion #341434
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    Tell that to those he massacred.

    Innocent until proven otherwise… 😎 😎 Isent that the basis of western trialsystem??

    …well In place of triall i should have used the word political puppet show, but guess its no use now as the ‘crook’ is dead.

    in reply to: Slobodan Milosevic dead? #1939490
    Gollevainen
    Participant

    Tell that to those he massacred.

    Innocent until proven otherwise… 😎 😎 Isent that the basis of western trialsystem??

    …well In place of triall i should have used the word political puppet show, but guess its no use now as the ‘crook’ is dead.

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