You see the difference with us is that unlike you despite my somewhat negative view towards USA, I don’t go ranting around USN related threads and trying to bash every single issue which I can found.

Yeah those two should be banned from this thread all togehter.

Cue hysterical laughter from our friends in Scandinavia.

*chokes on his own laughter*;)

Nakat was fitted with rack to fire the Onix (Yakhont’s proper name)

well even wikipedia cannot defy the laws of physichs.:rolleyes

but as for finding accurate data, one really needs to do some work in research as there isent any one solid, overencophasing good source….

China has apparently made quite good usage of the soviet KV-4 plants and in fact they and their chinese derevations apparently is regarded in PLAN as the most trusted and confident propulsion arragments. Altough this gives grey hairs to PLAN DDG ambitions, it actually could solve issues regarding the carrier propulsion: Varyag was mented to have four twin-boiler/turbine arragments of the same type as already in use of PLANs vessels.

Of this penny discussion between the PLAN fanboys and western doupters, the silliest thing is that they depate over fixed timeframes given by some reporters. All the facts and better quesses speaks that the carrier plans are at full steam in China. Wheter it’s completing Varyag or building indegenious hulls or both doesen’t matter, there will be carriers in emergin from china in next 10 years.

One of our naval officers once said that it takes about 10 years to get some brand new weaponsystem fully operational in it’s full potential. I assume that this is quite good thumprule for carriers as well, tough the complexity of the whole aircraft carrier concept may take even more time. For PLAN you need to remember that it is still in transform state from soviet 50’s era coastal defence force into proper western style navy and has introduced alot of new systems and conceps of naval warfare to it’s inventory during the last ten years. That needs to be kept in mind when dreaming about PLANs glorious cruises with their new carrier task forces to satisfy the wet daydreams of western-living chinese teenagers;);)

As for catabults, I’m 80% certain that the first generation of chinese carriers will be fielding the STOBAR arragement so no catabults is needed.

Finland near the bottom

Oi!! There is this saying in here…She has #%&** like a Moose, not as big but at the same height….(often descripes foreing chicks)

…I’m perfectly fine with our shorter lasses…;)

You outta listen Snake on this one as he speaks the truht about the two missile system know in the west as SS-N-16 Stallion. The confusion about the surface/submarine launched systems is that as no soviet/russian surface ship had larger than 533mm TT, thus they could only launch the Vodopad. That may easily led false conclusion that Vodobad is the surface launched version.

As for what type of tubes Akula (pr. 941) has, both good russian language internet sites, Deepstrom (http://www.deepstorm.ru/) and Atrinaflot (http://www.atrinaflot.narod.ru/1_submarines/01_plarb_941/0_941.htm) gives 6x533mm tubes and no 650mm tubes. As a general thumbrule, if you want to know stuff about Russian and soviet weaponsystems, don’t listen nor rely on western sources. Most of the data in western internet sites and even in most books is still based on the Cold war era assumptions, proclaims and pure guesses.