Indonesia operates Parchim-I Project 133.1 or Parchim-II Project 133.1M class corvettes?
All Parchim’s were orginally DDR orgins. It was a DDRs awnser to produce MPK type of ship similar in size as Soviet Grisha class. In DDR it replaced in production the previous Hai-I/II/III class design which was more of SO1 gathecory. In effect Parchims were stripped down Grishas, they lacked the complex OSA-M SAM system which IMO was bit overkill for Grishas anyway. The orginal patch of 16 Parchim-I were mented for the volskmarine but in order to boost the DDR shipbuilding Soviets ordered addtional set of Parchim-II for their own fleet.
Parchim-II differences for the orginal design by having AK-176 in place of AK-725 and AK-630 in place of Ak-230. Also the radar set is uprgated. Soviet Baltic fleet was the sole user of Parchim-II and the DDR Parchim-Is were all sold to Indonesia.
Does anyone have statistics about that desing? Dimenssions particullary so I could do a Shipbucket version of it:) (The current Gorskov drawings in the bucket are based on the older version shown)
The same shipyards that uses modern technology to build civilian ships to Western standard of quality will be doing so for military ships. And from all I have read, the latest 052B/C are built to higher quality than the Sovs.
From where you have read about the quality of 052B/C, I would like to read it about too..???
But Fitz is partially right. There are/have been quite alot of cases where to quality of chinese shipbuilding/designing is rather poor. Add to those already mentioned, for example the chinese build Romeos which were bought by Egyptians had their engines wore out during their delivering voyage and the first 052 Luhu class vessel had its comparament for its LM-2500 gasturbines wrongly meassured that intially the turbines didn’t fit to the room.
But it should be noted that the proplems have mainly been on the 052 and 025T which were both the very first chinese “modern” shipdesings. Actually the 025T was given priority over the 052 which however being earlier design had to wait for the exportships to be launched first. It’s completely natural that if you are just starting to do something in a field and scale previously unknown to you that you start that road with shake steps. None is master at birth. Chinese modern shibuilding has been around less than 20 years so even today its no wonder nor shame to have issues, it would be miracle if there weren’t any.
And yeas chinese shipbuilding quality has improved, its also quite natural that it does. And yeas you can roughly use the civil-sector as a indicator of military shipquality (tough only roughly) but the real point is how much? Altough china has improved, I doupt that the level is still no way near the highest quality that is out there. Like the mentioned 052B/C being higher quality than pr. 956 (which I personally doupt) could be true but who said soviet warshipbuilding quality of the 80’s was anyway near the current western standarts??
Sadly many chinese internetwarrior thinks that china is some sort of world class player in modern high-standart warship shipbuilding/designing when in reality china is still a noob in that field, learning to do stuff and taking small and safe steps at the time. IMO china is actually doing wise moves and not rushing to mass-producing inmature designs like certain another superpower did when it was in the same situation when looking the shipdevelopment sector.
One thing however should be noted when talking about the chinese shipquality. That is the apparent maintaining skills of PLAN to keep those poor quality ships in service. Almoust all chinese warships have seen quite extensive careers and I doupt that the PLAN Jianghu’s and Romeos were any better in craftmanships than their export counterparts. Still PLAN have managed to kept them in service as any other navy with their large warships. The absolute triumph of this was the Ex WW-II-era soviet Type 7 class destroyer. Those ships were famous of them being poorly designed and build and many broke up in the soviet hands during the war. Still China manged to keep those ships in service for nearly 50 years! I quess wha the chinese lack in building quality they make up with maintenance and repair skills.
my little sister brougth one, but when she didn’t have any computer to upload new songs to it, she used mine…later discovering that she cannot synk it with anyother computer (without loosing all the stuff that she had shared with my computers Itunes files.), so now my thing is filled with her…well…rather odd selection of music.:rolleyes:
my little sister brougth one, but when she didn’t have any computer to upload new songs to it, she used mine…later discovering that she cannot synk it with anyother computer (without loosing all the stuff that she had shared with my computers Itunes files.), so now my thing is filled with her…well…rather odd selection of music.:rolleyes:
say compared to OHP
Which is about 3 decades old design:rolleyes: 😉
F-22P is basicly a Jiangwei (from which it is directly derivated) with slightly enlargened hull and bit smoother lines in the hull and updated armament. The design if I recall correctly was being marketed before none of the 054s for examble wherer yet to be launched…
Well. I am a Christian. If I were in the Met would that mean I don’t have to work Easter weekend and at Christmas? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT.
Depends propably alot of your shifts. In here holidays, like christmas and easterns you recieve douplewages so that attracts alot of those whos current condition gives room for work. So I quess there will be more of strugle who will get to work on those holidays and who is left for holliday…
…so you can eat ham as much as you like, I bet:diablo: :diablo:
Well. I am a Christian. If I were in the Met would that mean I don’t have to work Easter weekend and at Christmas? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT.
Depends propably alot of your shifts. In here holidays, like christmas and easterns you recieve douplewages so that attracts alot of those whos current condition gives room for work. So I quess there will be more of strugle who will get to work on those holidays and who is left for holliday…
…so you can eat ham as much as you like, I bet:diablo: :diablo:
Based on the models, A Fregat atop the Cake Stand and Podberezovik.
We we merely talking about the weapon choises of Tibetian resistance;)
We we merely talking about the weapon choises of Tibetian resistance;)
Well with the tiny 5.56mm ammoes…
…with good old 7.62×39, one shot, one kill:dev2: :dev2:
Well with the tiny 5.56mm ammoes…
…with good old 7.62×39, one shot, one kill:dev2: :dev2:
Not really. Legally you can only buy the non-automatic version which pretty much makes it a small calibre hunting rifle in fancy dress.
full automatic is overrated IMO. In my army time I never used it in situations that where supposed to be “real”…only when fooling around.
And besides, in the mountains, you aren’t exactly in the midst of some unlimited ammunition stockpile.;)
Not really. Legally you can only buy the non-automatic version which pretty much makes it a small calibre hunting rifle in fancy dress.
full automatic is overrated IMO. In my army time I never used it in situations that where supposed to be “real”…only when fooling around.
And besides, in the mountains, you aren’t exactly in the midst of some unlimited ammunition stockpile.;)