Please read again.
I am involved in the selling of arms and other military equipment.
I stated a real enemy.
I stated NOT doing the same as Iraq and Serbia. By that I mean real shock and awe and then leaving them to it. The military capability of China can and must be eradicated. If there are civvy casualties then so be it, unfortunately that is the nature of attacking military establishments. We do our best to avoid civvy casualties, it does no good in the effort to raze the military installations and wastes a bomb worth about £250,000 each.

Still ranting. PLA is still too big to be taken out pure boasting like that:rolleyes: Even its online “my gun is bigger than yours” value deserves some facts atleast. Otherwise Im not that bothered to flame with sosiological-chauvinist like you. Feel free to feel morale superiority over “such places”;) 😉

I agree that There is lot of crap on both side (more on the capitalists side however).
And I have to (again) express my saddnes of stiffness of US political field, that effectively doesen’t allow any meaningless political power to take the enveriomental issues into governmental politics.
Thougth Im not supporter of European green parties, I have to admmit that atleast here the global warming and overal enveriomental issues are atleast brougth into table…and the denying mentality is no longer held, not even by extreme conservatives or big power companies (My firm as well as other finnish firms use the green tag for advertizing)

Shortminded and out of context Enveriomental work migth be harmfull and some parts bit ludicrous, but it hardly is reason for declaring all of it BS.

IMO saving of the world is 100% tied into capitalism and free market economy and dogma of ceasless economical growth. Unless manking revaluate its stance towards greed-based economy, we cannot take the moves needed. Flag of enveriomentalist shouldn’t be green, that doesen’t bring solutions…red flag will.

Except that militarily Doing same for China than was done to Iraq and Serbia is pure imposibility. I presume that you are not that aware of chinese military capacity, so I can forgive it.
But even if we ignore the huge retaliation capapilities that China has, and how effectly such action would mess the entire asia up (not to mention the thuosand of innocent civilian victims!!) ,The overal capacity of PLA would mean that such bomb trucks will become suicide trucks. It would teach lessons, but unfortuanetly to the west, and I bet that it would be lesson that west isent keen on taking:rolleyes:

….My god, Im ranting pro-china here, man some certain kids should see me now…:D 😀

Is there any way some one can sum it up to save the world alot of time?

Golly’s sum up effort: Basicly he is saying that liberals and leftwingers are all bad as they tries to teach kids about global warming in the language which kids would (in their obinion) understand.

Tough I must admitt, I didn’t read up all what he was trying to say, but enough to make that narrow inturperation.

But to Pete:

I currently work at quite large energy companny and I’m involved in the process of how to monitore/report CO2 and other waste which is tied to the emission-trade. Altough I admitt that alot of the talks about enviroments are BS, however in the actual field of greenhouse emissions and methods to reduce them, there are progress and quite alot of changes taken/taking place.
Of the “alternative energy” sources, one shouldn’t be so negative towards them. It is true that the current options cannot cope the wast demands of power, but however increasing the use of those will reduce the greenhouse emissions as the relief the need to use the more toxicating fuelsources. Here in Finland, Natural Gas and biofuel (park, chopped wood and peat) are actually far cheaper to the energy producers as a fuel so there is not much sense to use the more expensive and “dirtier” oil, diesel or coal in purely capitalistical motives also.

Paint isen’t free nor is the paintjob…

But then again should we be arguing more about the actual aircrafts performance which actually does matter rather than its coloursceme? The MiGs could be painted pink for all I care, still it wouldn’t affect on its actual capability.

But seriosly spoken, considering the lenght and intense of ATFS post, apparently the subject is something that he need to get out of his system and express those strong feelings into this leghty and yet bit disturping post. But better so than a scene where some hypocratic liberals (as he so nicely put it) are just about to tell to a bunch of kids about global warming and suddenly assaulted by psycotic red-eyed…well..hmm…(what would you call him?) a conservative??

So for the sake of us all better harash only us poor ******s in the internet 😉

There were so much foam around that text that it was impossible to read it in most parts…

To me it sounded like “#¤*>:mad: f””king#¤&” liberals¤%#§:mad: taking away santa¤%&###:mad: “

…someone might hint to him that in reality Santa is just fiction and it was his man and dad who bought the presents…and hurray to current states they will do it in future as well…Fluorescent or Floeress lightbulbs:dev2: :dev2:

The question is whether they will pursue a global power projection capability along similar lines to current western posture or whether they will go for a distinctly Chinese approach focussed on the near region.

Learning. Main focus on PLAN with the current hulls lifesyckle is to learn and forge PLAN a modern and usable figthing force. What the grand strategy will be, its still too premature to jump into wild conclusions from anything PLAN laids down in next 10 years. These nice crafts along with the new LPD and other oceanic elements are just to bring PLAN into 21st century, nothing that grandiose. Even to operate as creditable force to protect China from oppressive assault from the sea requires the changes that the newest generation of ships present.

But some changes in the grand strategy will come, if not in other form, but in transform from soviet model coastal defence navy into western modell blue water fleet is clearly coming into frution. People tend to forget that Blue water navy doesn’t nesserically mean global power projection á la USN.