Care to tell us what sort of submarines they are?:rolleyes:

Well I did some searching (read, digged up my Weyers 2005/2007) And counted:

SSBNs:
Yuri Dolgorukii,
Alekssaner Nevski

SSGNs:
K-226
K-186
K-150
K-139
(this list doesent include the Kursk)

SSNs
B-336

K-335
K-157

SS
Sankt Pettersburg
Petroskoi
Sevastopol

B-459

And thats 14 to my count…Names migth not wrong, but numbers should correct…the Weyers list is bit…well, german:cool:

i’m not sure the Russians have anything to gloat about when it comes to military hardware being useable – just look at there most recent exercises in the med where one of thier ships was sinking and had to be rescued and towed home, not to impressive that…

Exept that the Amur class in question was about 40 years old (when its Ok to be grumpy with your engines) And build in poland;) So not so clever there Jon, migth do beter research next time…

As for Dionis claim that Russians are pouring hulls like in soviet days, I have to say that its not true – and oh, dear, Im now on lawrence’s side:eek: – to my knowlidge, the Russians launched only one major surface combatant, that was the pr.2238 class patrol ship, aka small frigate type and the Borey and (I migth be wrong with this one) One lada or Amur class diesel sub…

And when this comes from such “fanboy” like I am to russian/soviet navy (and artillery), can we leave this matter?

Kirov (Lazarev) and SSV-33: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.92…z=17&t=h&hl=en
Piotr Velikiy here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=69.08…z=17&t=h&hl=en
Nakhimov here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=64.58…z=17&t=h&hl=en
Ushakov here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=64.57…z=17&t=h&hl=en

Not sure about Ushakov and Nakhimov, who’s who.
Name of Ushakov i think is taken by one of the remaining Sovremenny. (Source warfare.ru)

Where are you seeing the second Kirov in “Vladivostok area” ?

Of those, in the first link, the ship is Admiral Lazarev, or Frunze as its was orginally named. The seccond link truley shows Petr Velikiy. The third link shows Admiral Ushakov or more properly the Kirov herself which should be easy to spot from the two Ak-100s in the stern…The fourth link shows Admiral Nahkimov, or Kalinin as it is in Severodvinsk.

In Vladivistoks reign there indeed is two Kirovs but that should be impossible as only the Frunze should be there. Both ships shows single AK-130 in the stern which makes them both being one of the three latters. Due the inaccuracy of the google earht, 100% solid awnser I cannot give but i belive that the ship is Frunze in both cases. If you look closely to the superstructual extensions which holds two Ak-630 in both sides of the “VLS field youll notice that the two ships in Vladivostok have similar clean bulks as in Kirov and Frunze. The other two with Ak-130, Kalinin and Petr Velikiy have Kortik modules on those extensions in place of AK-630 and the blocks of those are regocnizable from the Severodvinks and Severomorsk units. Thus its 98% that both ships are indeed the one and the same, Admiral Lazarev (Frunze). It’s being moved from one location to another and the as some of the areas are updated and some are not and thus its showes in two locations at the same time.

By no means there isen’t any fifth unit of that class.

Discussing? Well pardon me but that what those two guys are doing has nothing to do with discussions.

And yeas this is a forum and for that factor alone, that type of unpleasent, unconstructive, childish and plain idiotic penis-meassurement contest should be left out from it. We others would like to enjoy good discussions about Russian naval issues but these two have highjacked this thread for “it is-it is not” type of mambojamo. If you enjoy reading it and follow it be my quest but don’t force us others to do the same.

So lets put up an adress; For those who wishes that Sealordlawrence and Dionis takes their “discussion” somewhere else please sighn your name

I start it
Gollevainen

bit of a contradiction in terms dont you think? Right wing & Liberal…enough to get you unelected in the States!

I dont know about US but in here, liberals are classed as rigth-wingers…neo-liberalism the current dogma of imperialism is IMO all what rigth-wing is supposed to be like.

Yeas, South Korean naval build up has blossomed quite well and their achievments have been almoust par with Chinese PLANs new desing, despite the huge size differences.
To me, they all (KDXs included) look really “Americanish” just like many japanese newer ships.

Soviet Navy Project 1157 Cruiser

Designed in the late 1980s to meet the Russian Navy’s urgent demand to counterbalance the US Aleigh Burke class destroyer, Project 1157 cruiser is equipped with 4 X-band radars, hundreds of missiles including SA-N-24 (sea based S400), 4 Kashtan Air Defence Gun/Missile System, four gas turbines, the ship controls over 300KM radius of battle space with the full speed of 33 knots. Basically, Project 1157 cruiser is a stealth upgrade of the Slava class cruiser, and if the communist Russia ever survived, the Project 1157 cruiser would become the most dreadful surface vessel in the 21st century.

To meet the highest standards of ship modelling and make it compatible to most 3D applications, most details of this ship model are achieved via polygons instead of texture maps, so you can have splendid geometry that contributes to realism at any time.

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TYPE 1157 CLASS

Country Of Origin: Russia & States
Designation: Cruiser
Class: TYPE 1157
In Service: N/A
In Development: N/A

DIMENSIONS
Displacement: 13,200.0 (Tons) (Fully Loaded)
Length: 186.0 (Metres)
Beam: 20.8 (Metres)
Draught: 7.6 (Metres)
Speed: 33.0 (Knots)
Range: 6000 at 15 kts (Miles)

This has nothing to do with reality, nor the topic of this thread.
Fanart, like it was mentioned, But rather well done.;)

If I recall correctly, these same pictures have been offered for real ones previosly in this forum, back when people could discuss russian military affairs without uselles trolling that seems to have taken all the bandwith:(

I remember reading it from Jane’s book about that.
South Korea offered 16 to Taiwan who needed coastal defense warships like Ulsan derivative.
But French gave big bribe, so Taiwan purchased 6 Lafayette.
I don’t know if this will help, but if you browse Jane’s Navy book from late 80s to early 90s, it mentions in Taiwan category.

yeah I recall that pribe thing, but It didn’t came to my mind that it was related to these projects.