Is it too rude to revial the name of that member in question? (or even ask it:o )

Not exactly…

I agree that if a ships primary function is to carry aircrafts which performs some spesific roles. then its an aircraft carrier no matter what type of aircrafts it carries. You can always specify the termilogy by calling those carriers which only operates rotary-winged aircrafts to helicopter carriers, but they are still aircraft carries.

But…

If the ships primary function is amphibious assault ship, regardless if it has the ability to use helicopters in the means of getting the troops ashore, it shouldn’t be called aircraft carrier, but an amphibious warfare ship (and if you want to be spesific, LHD, LPH, LSD ect..) A Destroyer may carriy almoust 100 mines, however it isen’t called a minelayer.
The japanese DDH16 could be called an aircraft carrier as its primary function is to provide helicopters a seaborne base. The Dok Do however is only resambling aircraft carriers by its look, no way can it be called as such othervice. It can hold 4 helicopters in relatively small hangar and its primary function is to serve as landing ship dock. Do you call Ivan Rogov or Rotterdam class to aircraft carriers?

well I “work” as a mod/semi-adm. in Sinodefenceforum, wich uses the same vBulletin board chasis, and we have the same proplem constantly present…You just cannot avoid them. But I know that some boards, have that post aproval function

Yes, I know how long previous Russian carriers have been.. the Kievs were 275m long for example… but they were also based on the western developed angled deck design.

No they weren’t. The orginal design called enlarged flightgroup compared to the earlier pr. 1126 class (read needed more landing spots so more helicopter/VSTOL planes could take of simultaniously) and only way to ahcive this was to extent the flightdeck to the side of the superstructure. Hence the end result resampled of the angled flightdeck of western carriers.

Thanks for the model image Washan:)

…And to UAZ, here is one keen enthusiast who will appriciate those pics greatly;)

That I understand and appreciate. My simple point was that people still have choices in life, and this man died doing something he chose to do, which is why I feel no sympathy for him.

As far as our differeing opinions are concerned, perhaps it may be best to agree to disagree!

Paul

I understand….And I must say it is rare occasion that in internet-forum depates, the argument can lead into such conclusion:)

But in the otherside…

Look, the answer to your question is that our Finnish friend is (a) very young, (b) of the Marxist persuasion, and (c) an idealist. He might be other things too, such as naive, contrary, a habitual troll-er of web forums…

Well I am a young man, as clever ones migth have checked on my profile:p (wich naturally means that Im not yet reach the cynical point wich would have made me lost my idealism:D 😀 )
Also, Im pretty red in what comes to my political believes, something that 22 years of living in poverty has firmly stucked in my mind…And perhaps in one or three occasions I migth have been bit provocative, tougth not yet trollish in my choices of words.:D 😀

But then Again, I have allready said that not any terrorist attack would propaply change my attitudes agains the current western way of dealing the terrorism proplem. Nor it would change my attitude to respect life in all matters. Im no judge, and I doupt anyone here is, so I suspect that we leave judging to the ones that our societies have chosen for the task. Didn’t the first marxist said something about the ones with no sins shall throw the first stone??:diablo:

Well Im not claiming that every muslim young man is potential terrorist. Only that the porpotion of socially unfortunate ones is increasing faster that its rising in among the orginal population.

I know personally what its like to live the life of someone that has been lost its grip of the rest of the society. In that condition, its suprising to found out how things that for normal person seems like maddnes and insanity come down as appealing choice. Its hard to understand if you live “happy” or normal life, but it doesent give one an excuse to ignore the fact that there is a proplem.
The ones that advocates the fundamentalism knows exatly how the minds of the “lost” ones works and exploid it to their goal. It works under same mechanism in the west as it works in the palestinian refugee camps.

I’m not saying that I know a medication to the proplem, Only that I know where we should start looking for the answer. Proplem is that the modern western society has not been able to work its own societies class based proplems, not to mention its immigrant ones.

What on Earth are you talking about? That young Arab wasted his OWN future. He had a choice, as does every person on this planet. Personally I choose not to drive burning vehicles into packed airport terminals with the intent to kill as many people as possible. Kafeel Ahmed, however, decided otherwise.

So you feel that you know exactly what is the situation in today’s immigrant young men’s life and yet you think you can actually make such claims? One of the biggest thing that we in can do, if we want to make stop to these attacs is to get rid of the masses that are lured by the call of the mullah’s. If muslim back-ground youth wouldn’t be doomed to live the life of seccond-class citicens here in the europe, lot things would be better. We cannot just feed dirt to then and then feel shocked when someone cracks. These lost generations are like gift from the allah to the fundamentalist seeking fresh blood to their agendas.
We propaply can never get rid of the actual master minds of these attacks, but we have rather good change to intervene into the ones that make the actual attacks….if we would just focus on the actuall issues, rather than boast with chauvinist rigth-winger attitudes:mad:

Why do you want to defend them? Before you say you’re not defending them, that’s actually exactly what you’re doing.

Understand your enemy.
You cannot figth them if you dont know what is going on there where the proplem roots. Thats the biggest mistake that we in the west have and still are collectively doing. We just see the attacks and retaliate to them with hardest and stiffest possiple way…that creates the roots for next round and the circle is completed.

The thing Im defending is everyones rigth for living and immunity to be judged by the ones that are not fitted for the one. Mengle that with the fact that Im advocating the use of brains in defeating the terrorist rather than blindless muslce…to simple minds, that migth seem like im defending the terrorist, but dont worry, Im getting used to hear that sort of things:p