Well word “celebrate” is (i agree) bit provocative but it contains the idea that you and others expressed that you were happy after this person died.

And if you go on for the moralisation that you believe that that sort of guy has not rigth to exist, do you have rigth to exist if you think that someone else doesent has the rigth? Now, some young arab with wasted future thinks that you are evil and you dont have rigth to exist when you claim that their hero didnt have the rigth to exist….catch the pattern?
What about the guy, when he thougth that the people he was attempting to kill didnt have rigth to exist?

That is what Im trying to manifest in here, we cannot lower ourselves to “their” morale standards, or otherwise we will not ever brake the circle of violence.

A model of this was dispayed at IMDS 2007. See acig.org, the NCIG area.

I couldn’t found it:( Could you post direct link?

And the law says so here too. Let’s not forget that this man died of injuries that were self inflicted, he set himself alight whilst resisting arrest at the scene of crime. He wasn’t executed, nor the victim of local ‘witchcraft’.

Let’s not forget either the 30 days of care and treatment he received in Paisley and Glasgow hospitals, in an attempt to save the life he was determined to end.

From today’s local press….

Yeas I know the facts. The issue is about the enjoyment over his death.

The attitude expressed by Gollevainen’s is what will doom the West to lose this “war”.
It is fighting a foe that has no problems about killing anyone who is not of their faith. The more (and seemingly the more innocent) the better.

No, we can newer win this war by just waging it. They have better weapons and strategical advantage if speaking of military terms. The only way we can stop it is to go behind the war, cut the very roots of the Muslim hatred of westeners, not do things that only creates it.

You cannot be that blind-folded and simple that you can actually claim that hiding behind facist police force and more weapons is the way of dealing this. It is the exact reaction that the terrorist seeks, becouse such enverioment will just create more missery to the allready existing Muslim population here in the west, and when we loose that punch to the mullahs…we have lost the battle for good.

Originally Posted by tangmere View Post
Is Finland on this planet?

well sometimes I really think we are, becouse such things like terrorism doesent happen in here, despite we are having equally large muslim community compared to our population by average european standards.

Have you guys ever wonder why there isent any attacs on us?;)

And to PMN, I have never said that I feel sorry for the guy or sympathy over his bad condition. Only that I find it most disguting feature in human minds to celebrate a death of one of our owns. The “enemy” will think exactly this way and If we cannot be above that, what is the difference then?

Well chaps, Im not advocating Muslim fundamentalism in here, quite opposite, I believe that Islam is one of the disgusting of all organised faits, becouse of its pragmatism and medevial values. And in the rif between christians and muslims, the ball is IMO in the mullah side…the idea that there would be united “christian” west is just BS and we have bended huge time, the cartoon fuzz and related when the muslims can go on the streets and preach how christians are false-beleivers and should be converted….try to say same thing in here and…

So in sense, what Pete said

we’ve switched from Cold War to religious war, whats the bloody point.

I agree fully…thats why I stick with my old pagan gods and spirits…they dont want me to kill anyone.

But thats not relevant to this discussion. My point is still that I wanted to express that I dont feel joy when evil man dies, and I was suprised to see that such feelings can be actually real…they just dont fit to my morale anyway.

So, let’s say a man walked into a nightclub in Helsinki with the intention of machine gunning the crowd. However, something goes wrong and his weapon doesn’t work. You’re telling me you honestly believe that he should be treated leniently?

Not me, but the law in here says that And I stick with the law.

Really nice:D I always liked the pr.266 ones as my favorite minesweepers…determend by the looks. There is just something there, that almoust defines the word sweeper.
But are that new one a plain sweeper, or does it have minehunting capacity? What has it eaten?

Perhaps being personally affected by the most violent of criminal acts has coloured my view. The intent to take life was there. Not one life but as many as he possibly could. There is no question of guilt. He drove a car packed with gas cylinders into an airport terminal with the intention of killing both himself and as many other people as possible.

Have I ever, by even a split of a word questioned his guilty?

I was once like you, dead set against the death penalty, but not any longer. If the person who murdered my Uncle could have been found I now firmly believe I could have killed him myself.

I have come cross lot with my stance, including some bad things even in my personal life, and It has been suprising that such events have only make my stance stronger. So the Helsinki airport-model doesent apply to me…even so, if such thing would have happened, it would have mented that our govnerment would have had to be lot more warmongering and more into Bush’s crusade to liberate arabs from their expense oil resources…and I frankly would expect the visit from Mars more than such thing to happen.

The mentality that you and others present is IMHO the excat root to the witch’s circle that keeps these horrible things happen. Someone has to broke it…unfortuanetly we westerners are too weaks for such, and despite keeping up our pose as civilised against barbaric arabs, we are no different to the ones that seeks their own revenge of their own mass-murdered people by mass-murdering the others and….well You all know how it continues.

People you are getting Me wrong, Im not here to guestion your body-feast, I just wanted to know that Is it truth what I first thougth, that you feel happy after death of someone, that only attempted terrorist action.

I just stated my own feelings as I dont belive in death-penalty nor I ever, ever ever feel glad of anyone’s death. Thougth Im not christian, I still believe that making such judgemts that allows us to have those feelings are beyond us small minded humans.
I dont wish for flame figth over this matter, So spare your post if you are attempting to prove my belives wron…They are lot stronger than to be bended by some internet discussion. Im not trying to judge or condemn your obinons, just presenting my bit different one. Like I say, you can have your kicks from anything you want;)

So you are celebrating a death of someone that didn’t kill anyone:confused:
I dont know about Britain, but least in here attempt of murder is NOT a murder, but lesser crime and should be dealt with minor penalty.

But hey, what ever gives you kicks, I dont mind. Least I retain myself celebrating only the fact that no one (innocent) got killed in that attempt.