…and thats why I like so much Soviet/russian way of naming warships…only the capital units, Big destroyers and Cruisers retained their traditional names, but the sailship romantics of Fregate and Corvette were never introduced, but simple, and task-related names like Large/small ASW/rocket ship, patrol ship, ect… were used instead.

US littorial combat ship is a healthy and welcome sing to bringin naval clasifications into 21st century and I would hope others will follow…

But my five cents to the Canadian discussion, If I recall correctly, werent there plans for similar ships in the late 80’s as well?? A thing called Polar 8?? Anyway, If Canadians are planning to purchase real ice breakers to the role, I would love them to turn into our expertise and give little life-extension to our own yards.

No, lawrence, you seem to be only one who knows
But why dont you be kind an enlighten us all;)

you see, I would personally hate to be unwarely anti-american next time I suddenly compare the political terms of US and Europe:D 😀

I know what You mean, And I know that its really hard to rise from the status they have. What Arthur suggested sounds good, but in the end its all about the opportunities, and to burden of creating those opportunities, expecially to the ones that seems to be allready beoynd them, lies in the shoulders of the ones providing the jobs.
I dont know exactly how it is in french, but I doupt that the emploeers have any more “social conscience” than in here. Actions that needs to be done arent the ones making most profit in fastes ammount of time imposible, and If rigth winger like Sarkozy can make the “money” to create the socio-economical structure Arthur mentioned, Hell I will become rigth-winger myself:D 😀

Perhaps. But if I would out of clear day read a post like that without knowing any details, something what Barry slipped out migth be the first thing to come in my mind….
I agree that what Barry said was rude, expecially after knowing the situation and should be edited out, but It hardly a worth of a ban…

And you cannot honestly suggest that everyone should do search of every members post before posting into any thread whatsoever. THAT would be hyppocrite.

dont be hyppocrate Kev, I for example have been in here a quite a time now, and this was first time I heard of Strombirds illness…and his post was really far for being self-explanatory towards anything…unless if you are aware of his condition.
at least he apoligized in sense…

well If what i say is utopic, So be it. Its still better than rasing hands up and say, hey slavery is all that they deserve. Or seek better jobs. yeah like the dark skinned uneducated arab is just something that all the emploeers with good jobs to offer wants to get their hands on…

At least I have some hope for them sorry *******s that has to face that reality. Minimium wage would be sufficent if it would be only that, living in deprivation and poverty despite working your ass off in worst possiple jobs. And if that job would stay at least relatively stable it migth work, but you and I know it isent the case.
Those jobs disappear as soon as they merge and that short livenes of european work markets have become a new looming thread to peoples well-being. Other than the employeers have thougth since the beging of industralisation, a life of a paycheck-slave isent something that people seek, it is the crude reality that they have to settle and defianetly it isent something that people escaping from Africa would seek…

because despite S’s conservative views on social policy he is unlikely to alter France’s economic stance very much toward US-style free market economics. Though achieving the latter might be the best way to get those youths into jobs..

well we should really make seperation between jobs and jobs that can actually give these youths a change to survive in the modern world. But Unfortuanetly the european rigth wingers, to wich I belive Sarkozy presents, think that best way to deal with “those” youths is to put them to enslaving minium wage job in short cut jobs that luckyly can last over the next half-year period of company involved. Or let them become some faceless cheap-labor pool for the corporation world.
All the tools that rigth-wing really has to boast their “we will bring end to unemployment” -slogan is to make European own workers as appealing as the ones they currently seeking in China and Korea.

What we poor of the europe really need is secure and reasonable payment in job that has at least some sort of security of keeping it above next negative trade cylce.

Last thing that we need is make us vunerable to the short-singheness and grab-that-cash-as-fast-as-you-can mentality that is reality in totally free capitalist market economy