Thats all lovely but you have failed to mention illegal firearms, do you seriously think your average drug dealer is going to ask for a licence for his gun?

Illegal firearms quantity is directly relevance to the quantity of legal firearms.

You also raise another important issue, your ignorance at the use of firearms. They hold significant recreational value both sporting and hunting.
Why do game keepers need guns? becouse they keep game, why do they do that? becouse people like to shoot game birds, do they need to? No, they do it becouse they enjoy it.

Hunting rifles and are bit different than highpower pistols and even submachineguns that are common in US civil markets. There is no reasonable use for them in civil markets.

It works. In here its practically impossiple to get licence to handguns without being deactivated. Licences to other guns aquires that you are either sports-shooter (like myself) or hunter (or othervice working with situations where you need a gun). In order to proove that you need to belong to a shootingclub or hunting club. In big cities getting in shooting clubs is quite difficoult and its almoust impossible if you aren’t really a sports-shooter. The strickt gun lawas works, murders and homicides where shooting weapons are involved are rare (all murders passes the newspar).

Its impossiple to get a gun for the basis that you are right to carry one or “selfdefence”. In fact I find all non sports shooting guns in civil use repulsive. Guns are made for one thing solely, exspecially handguns and thats is to kill people. Civil persons have no rational reasons why they should be allowed to carry weapons that sole purpose is to kill fellow citizens.

If you wish to shoot, begun to sportshoot, its one hell of a hobby. If you wish to kill, start hunting…or running around without any meaning and shooting everyhting for just the pleasure of shooting, buy a PP gun…or join the army:p

Nor your well known habbit to rant in any opportunity?:diablo:

well jokes aside, I only stated the idea of criminology and what everyone should know and understand…
it is the proud stinch in US gun-owners heart that feels hurt when ever someone mentions that guns are bad, that turns these (always, so no need to be hippocrite PhantomII 😉 ) topics to flame figths….not the ones who blame guns after these disasters happens.

If there isent morale rigth to condemn one of the biggest single reason for these events, what point there is to show any morale upproar then? Lets all just accept that there are guns and most notably there are RIGHTs to have them and yippiee we all can go and shoot ourselves, becouse it is our…well yours:confused: …rigth?

At least we try to do something to stop it to happen again…:(
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..but If that is something you just dont want to hear and saying guns are bad offences you, I can be quiet and end posting completely over this matter. Im not in feel of getting into anyway deeper with you guys, we all know from past that it would only lead into trouple…

well end selling guns to civil people (wich doensent need them in 21st century anymore) will effectively lead massive losses to gun manufactures and we can get them out of business, and by that (with transistion phase offcourse:cool: ) the number of guns out there would trasticly decrease and despite all this “humans kill, not guns” BS the ammount of people getting killed by criminals with guns will decrease as well…
Here in europe, such mindless actions are really hypothetical to occur. Im not saying that there wouldnt be, but the risk of getting shot is much lower than in current US:( I dont know about you, but If I have to choose wheter I live in place where the risk is low, more than where its High, I would pick the first, expecially when it really doesent take that much to start making changes

If anyone knows little about criminology, they will know that no-crime sosiety is utopia, and thats why the efforts should be focused on eliminating the defects of crimes as much as possiple instead of taking black and white, non-tolerance attitude and use it cover to some weird gun mania…

Ps. And to all you americans, I dont mean this to be anyway “anti-american” rant. Quite opposite. I know pretty few americans that feels the same way as I do, and I strongly agree with them when they say that there is nothing “American” in wrapping one around with bullet-vest and machine guns….true “americanism” is something lot more ardent than anything your NRA tryes to present.

let the spirit of rust rotten every small fire-arm in world:(

Well thougth Im a big fan of the 1159 class (and its Yugoslavian sibblings) I would say, let the old girls rust in peace. They have little to use in modern field outside complete rebuilding, and I would think that navy that is ready to go on for ship class combatants, better solution would be invest into new, state of the art desing like MEKO A100 or Russian pr. 20380. In longer term they will pay themselves back with longer service life and more cost-effective maintanace expenses…

The fighterplane analogies are bit weird thougth, and also I found intresting the claim that RBS-15 would be only 5% better than antiqueted P-15?? Do you have anything to base this, or was it just something you pulled out of the hat…

And I agree with rest of the bunch, Ustasa is really crappy user name, particularry in Keypublishing forums; remember that we lost the army section solely becouse the Balkan kids from Serbia, Croatia and Albania waged their petty disputes in cyperspace manner.

the radar in 054A is more likely some type-381 derivate continuty devolpment along with innovations of the Fregat, but it certainly isent plain fregat, the detail diffrences are too obvious….

I passed this on in this chat room…and everyone went nuts! You didn’t have to wait even one minute before it was claimed to improve dramatically chinese J-13 and j-14 projects….I begun to feel so embaresent for chinas behalf that I had to blow it up, before they managed to spread it around….
So I think this was a good one for awhile, perhaps not in this forum, but in others…