Finland makes good ships, but if you really want a good minehunter, then it is advised to take a ship from a foreign supplyer that has more experience with this. Or, just ask their advice or design and indeed build it in Finland. The problem with military orders is of course that they aren’t continuous. The Finnish Navy can’t afford to buy one ship every two or three years. That has been the major problem for most Western Navies. Ships last long nowadays, 20 years isn’t that much of an exception, that also means they aren’t replaced that regularily.
Golle, I’ll send you some pics of the Double Eagle and Seafox from VERY close by.

Couldn’t agree with you more. Tough I still belive that we should be able to produce at least the ship itself (without equipment) in here.

True we finns are know of high quality (and this is said without any national pride 😀 )

But the solution was purely made over economical factors, the Italian shipyard simply made more lucrative offer. It’s just capitalism, so what can we do…I do agree with you that the best solution would have been totally finnish build vessels, at least then it would theoretically be the best possiple ship to our conditions

topioc is troll. if you really want topic on small european navy, why do you make it Finland AND minor european navy? seem like you want only finland to lead

what ever… 😉

wait, so u saying Finnish want to be Russian now?

So is thats how you understood that or are just trying to burst flames from vet wood?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :dev2:

Golli if you had problems with some modified powerboat in the 40’s u can’t claim that italian built ship are piece of junk….
The italian mtb were bulit at that time fort use in the med, probably in times of war there were so necessity of boat that finnish neither request modified version…
Italian minehunters are top class ships and don’t worry they keep the sea very well (for example a gaeta class is long 49m and large 9m).

well I seriously hope they will end up better succes, but mostly I’m woried about that all data indicates that these ships are quite well suited for oceanic operations eq. in our instance meaning that they would be capabe of NATO operations (same reason why the appealing hovercraft FAC desing was lashed behalv of the Hamina class), and with draugth of 3.1 meter, there are several important sealines that these ships cannot go…Also the fact that only reasonable way to conduct our domestic seadefence is to mine almost the entire coastline of ours…to deal with that with only three ships raises some questions…
But I agree that the Pendolino throw was pretty populistic (not that I like those anyway, always late, no matter what conditions 😉 ) but speaks of lot bigger conser. Our shipyards have suffered for mandatory shortage of secure future and as there isent any Soviet Union buing ice breakers any more, our domestic naval building have been the last remaining safeline for the workers…now, when the door is opened, Everyone fears that the yards will make their final cut sooner that it was anticipated…