The British conquered it from the Ottoman Turks during World War I. And then they were given the mandate by the League of Nations.

Yeas, another imperialist conquere a piece of land form other imperialist…very legimate and moraly approved don’t you think?

what I’m saying is that they aren’t the only ones who have that right.

Yeas…but how come only the Israelian claims to that homelands are fullfilled? No matter how you try to twist the history, Arabs lived in that area centuries before the state of Israel (as we know it now) was formed. And no matter what justification you might think that the israelians had, there still where arabs living there and they where driven form their homes. And thats the root of the conflict. The jews claim for that piece of land are based on controversial past and religious panflets where as the Arabs claims where based on solid physical facts, means they actually lived there when the decicion was made. It was the imperialistic and racial policy of western nations that allowed the arabs claim being dismissed in order the get the western worlds hands clean for their past crimes against jews. If the jews should have a homestate, it would have been formed in some place that requires no ethical purification of the natives. At least if it should have been done so if you want to call it justice…

I know thats in the past now and cannot be undone. I don’t whis Israel being whiped out to the sea nor anyones homes being taken away (I know how that feels and I don’t wish it to anyone). But Israelians needs to aknowlidge the facts that I mentioned above in order that the conflict could be solved. You’ve said it by yourself that the ultimate peace needs compromising form both sides, but you (and many other Israeli supporters) mainly point out the arabs direction…where are the Israelian compromises? What are you will to let go????

And by the way – we live in a world where (at least officially) you can be whatever you want. Being a Jew unlike being a Christian of a Muslim also incorporates an integral national identity. So, if your country’s Jews chose to retain their Jewish identity, it doesn’t mean they aren’t loyal citizens of Finland, but it does mean they are members of their own national group.

Thats bit controversial statement as I at least belive that the enviroment makes your nationality, not the blood that runs in your veins. You are born and race in Finland, you are finnish, no matter what colour is your skin…

Funny how you chose to use the “chosen people” instead of Jews.

Thats just me and my sarcams…

And the rest of the people who lived here weren’t minor, not by far.

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And there were nearly no British people who lived here, except for the people who were responsible to run the mandate. The British Imperialism in the Middle East and North Africa, unlike its French counterpart, did not include the mass settlement of British people in the Empire’s territories.

What I was trying to say was that in which right did the British own the palestinian?

Finland belongs to the people of Finland. I’m not really familiar with the history of your country, but I’m sure that it was always considered by the people of your nation as their homeland, just like the little piece of land between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea was always considered by Jews as their nation’s homeland.

So what about those arabs living in the same area? Doesen’t they have the right to call that piece of land to homeland as well? What makes Israelians more privileged to the area? Becouse the bible says so??

Funny thing, but the jews in here consider Finland as their homeland…but at least few of them, mainly the two most famous finnish jews Ruben Stiller and Ben Zyskowitch should move to Israel, it would make our lifes much more pleasent (But it has nothing to do with them being jews, that only gives them a place to go. The actual reason is that they are just plain idiots…) 😉 😎

So, your whole concept of “stealing the land” is completely baseless and is a result of historical ignorance.

Do you know how funny you look when saying that?? (I don’t know what you look alike but most certainly not as funny when not saying anything like that… :p )

No one stole anything.

Really?

This land did not belong to the Arabs. It didn’t belong to the Jews either. It was UN mandate administrated by Great Britain.

So apart of the “choosen people” and some minor natives, there was a natural dwellings of anglo-saxians in the holy land as well 😮 😮

Following your logic, FInalnd actually belongs to Sweden and the little piece of land that I happen to own is in reality a property of some Svenson living in Malmö???

They say that a wise man knows enough to know he knows nothing about anything.

You know they also say that “A wise man don’t know how it fee-ee-eee-eeelss…to be thick as brick” 😉

I’ve said this to you hundreds of times now phanty, I’m from FINLAND!!! We speak FINNISH as our national language. It may be hard to you to understand but about half of the worlds population doesen’t speak english as their first language and thus their grammal skills aren’t perfect. We finns particularry have sometimes hard time with english as our language is completely different than anyother indo-european language…

I’ve said this to you earlier as well but if a foreinger with limited finnish skills is trying to discuss with me and I would commenting and insulting that foreinger for his lack of finnish skills, Other finns would consider me as a arrogant brick…

Now how it is in the states?? I’ve tryed to get rid of my prejustice wievs about this accused american arrogance, but you aren’t helping it all.

Ditto. You don’t happen to be a general representative of the Finnish public, do you?

Propaply not, but then again, I’m pro-sending troops in Lebanon….
Or did you ment my feelings towards Israel? I only disagree and slightly loath the internal/foreing policy of them and I may have some obinions about it’s existence in that particular spot…But othervice I belive you are rahter good chaps 😉 I never have had any hate towards Israeli as a people, nor any other people for that matter…

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dick?? 😮 😮 :p

I gather that you guys also used to have infantry work as your secondary function?

We, as all branches in finnish army did recieve infantry training. But the thing is that as a small nation we have specialized in spesific duties like engineering and stuff in the UN operations. Artillerymens aren’t exactly the most usefull in anything else than shooting with big guns…

What I meant is that soldiers from your country will take part in peacekeeping in Lebanon, and although I wish them good luck and hope they’ll all come back home safe, I wonder if it’s really these guys’ top priority to be there, messing around with Hizballah people and directly or indirectly keeping Israel safer. Just don’t expect it to go smooth.

Top priority?? I’m not sure if you knew, but as we have conscription army, the “UN troops” are not exactly part of our defence forces, but a separate branch made up form reservists wh have recieved special training for peacekeeping operations. And as we as a chairmancountry of EU managed to get this peacedeal up in the first place, its only fair that we will send our peacekeeping troops there as well. So at the moment Lebanon is the top priority of us…

What comes to the safety thing, well…You propaply can quess yourself what i’m about to say, something to do with “who bombing what and when” 😉

Oh, the irony. Finland plans to send 250 soldiers to Lebanon.

Whats the irony? We as the chairmens of the EU and long tradditions with Un peacekeeping are obligated to send the troops. Also its good message to Israel, that we don’t fear and swallow the bombings of UN targets.

…and if they would allow artillerist in UN troops, Hell I would propaply going there too!!!…but they have this thing towards artillerymens :confused: 🙁 :rolleyes: :p 😉

Ok why then a picture of “not so sthealth” Project 205P (Stenka) class patrol boat :confused: 😉

😡 Not the hello, Three word story, what music are you listening…..

First they took the army forum and now this….WE ARE NOT GONNA TAKE IT!!!! 😡 😡 😡 …never did and never will!!!!!!!!!!