can’t wait
Why do we have to wait until it’s in service? The thing has been in gestation for over two decades. I remember seeing the EF2000 with its Tornado engines at Farnborough in the early 80s. Odd thing is I have yet to see the Typhoon at an airshow.
There must be tons of photos and whatnot to fill up a decent 150 pages.
I’d have a go myself but I am too cynical about publishing non-fiction.
close to Cranfield
Hey Curlyboy we could almost be neighbours… I live in sight of the Xscape in CMK.
I was there when they had the final airshow for the Vulcan (such a pity I didn’t have a camcorder back then, should have borrowed one!) and the Bucc.
But I have vids of the later shows…
all I have to do is dub them off the analog camcorder.
fantastic ‘mag’
This is a relief – one of the best ‘mags’ on any subject. And I read a lot of mags (I even used to publish and edit several).
To anyone who has yet to see it may I suggest looking for it on EBay. I got to fill some gaps in my collection that way. Will be a bit pricey with the P&P tho.
Weird thing is my picking up my first one (on the F111) while on a biz trip – in a gift shop in San Jose (in 1993). Worth every penny these mags.
I also have some of the sister mags on historic warbirds tho I think that’s defunct for shame.
Crash etc
Maybe not directly pertinent to the circumstances (cause) of the recent one but certainly worth a mention as to the good record it had enjoyed ‘with the exception of one accident at an airshow..’ given the miles it must have clocked up as a type this was the only fatal crash until recently.
The TV folks never measure up to us plane buffs but on the whole it was a worthwhile program. Sad that it has to involve tragedy before they cover anything evn vaguely to do with planes these days.
I also think back to when the Shack was soldiering on well past its sell by date. Luckily its safety record was unblemished by the time it finally went out of service at least as far as AEW (though I am sure the RAF lost several ASW examples etc I don’t recall any crashes quite like the Afghanistan one that befell the Nimrod).
Don’t even mention the Lightning as regards crashes. An appalling record of death. They go on about the F104 but our Lightning was almost as bad. One of the last was that nice chap Thompson who I saw display at Mildenhall only to learn of his loss over the sea a few weeks later. Have a vid of the MAF display off TV and on my mate’s camcorder… now if only I can get motivated to make a clip and post it somewhere.
Brunty
Bruntingthorpe has been on my wish list for years. So fingers crossed we might make it in July. Have been past several times.
I did mean the Cranfield jets day and then earlier the PFA Rally – we sneaked in late in the afternoon as no one wanted to be out in the rain we were able to just drive in. The Lightning and some less interesting planes were close by so I was able to film it with my new camcorder – to hell with the rain.
I think those were the only times I saw a Lightning at Cranfield in all the years of going to airshows there. We used to go when I was a kid – they had that HP 155 research plane up one time. Red Arrows Gnats all lined up. The TSR2 in a hangar.
Distant daze.
great pix!
great pix!
fiddle faddle
Thanks to all of you who said thanks for letting all you av buffs know about this one of the scarce plane progs on TV these days… hope the 80 odd of you who looked at my post watched it.
I realise the Beeb is seldom unbiased but this was a worthwhile attempt to get behind a problem that has been stewing for some years. Quite why it took the Beeb so long to do a doc on it is unfathomable.
One key moment was the scotch bint quizzing no less than the CAS in all his braid and medals and him ruddy with embarassment and having no answer poor chap. His loyal lads are being treated disgracefully and all they can do is stump up for THREE (!) UAVs while the US is buying THREE THOUSAND… FCS! Who’d join the armed forces when you get treated with such contempt.
Another appalling state of affairs with the Nimrod MR2 replacement which is still being debugged.
One error was the omission of the Canadian airshow Nimrod crash otherwise a pretty good effort.
Tune in next week for the same treatment for another MoD scandal – the Al Yamanah fiasco.
sadly no rhinos
Well it was a twin engined Mac Dac machine… can’t recall what the last F4 to show ther was… probably a LW F4F maybe a Turkish one in the static. Never saw a halfway decent USAF demo of the F4 it was always up to the RAF or LW.
Interesting pic
I hope the Phantom is inside too…;)
As for the Croughton cops I recall when I was a kid and my dad having an argument with a yank in a mil cop car about us stopping to rubberneck the UH planes on a family Sunday afternoon drive around. Maybe they have a point but it was the cop’s attitude which annoyed him.
As for the Husky I dunno why we used to see it over my house 30 miles away from UH unless it was visiting other US airfields.
BTW one of the vaarks crashed not far from where I live – I recall the local papers with pix of the escape pod thing in someone’s greenhouse.
Then years later I recall the Raven crash. If I had been on my usual route back home from Oxford to MK a bit earlier (minutes almost) I might have seen it overhead. As it was I saw all the crash crews come tearing past and the smoke. Scary.
Classic Jet
Last time we got to see a Lightning do anything other than rot in the rain was at the Classic Jet Airshow in the late nineties. Don’t think there has been a public airshow with a Lightning in it since then. I drove by Cranfield on the way back from the Little Gransden airshow last year and there was still the two-seater visible from the road.
In the early 90s we used to drive by the airfield and there they were looking all forlorn in the field tied down and half covered by tarps. I took some pix at an earlier show in the 80s and there were at least three there with the Binbrook markings on the tail a gryphon or whatnot. They were outside a hangar but not in the ‘static’ part of the show. A nice surprise but nothing ever came of it.
I have some footage of the Lightning at the PFA in the 90s in the pouring rain – one of the first warbirds I filmed with my new camcorder. And the smae plane again in the Classic Jets show when it started up, taxied past and then did a launch abort. I distincitly recall how loud it was, not the jet pipe but the compressor I think, a horrid piercing whine. Worse than the mother in law!
Cheers chaps!
That’s all it takes… takes me ages to get the clip from camcorder to web so any encouragement is gratefully received. No joke I have tons of plane clips to post but it is difficult to get motivated without some feedback.
Not with a bang…
Loads of views on this thread, and presumably some have actually viewed the video in question. The puzzle is why if they have no one is sufficiently affected by seeing it to post a comment… as I said it is IMHO a superb clip so I really thought I’d get some reaction but no… disappointing to say the least.
Shame really because I had high hopes for this forum. Not much encouragement to post any others methinks, and I have so many…. oh well plus ca change.
707
Thanks for that. Reckon that clip was from that series on BBC ages ago. Shame it is so indistinct. That prog had a clip of Hoover in his Shrike Commander doing a barrel roll without spilling his martini. Amazing.
Boy? Yup
Nice F27 shots. Need the moving image to get something like the real effect. First time I saw this I could not believe anyone would be allowed to throw a plane of this type around. The smoke was there to prove that the engine was off… not just feathering the prop. It went into turns in and out of the ‘dead’ engine too. Then he’d fly past and reboot the engine – you could hear it spooling up. Then the smoke would spew out. Climax of the show routine was a Khe Sahn landing. Steeply up then a perilously steep descent with the wheels down.
The pilot’s nickname was ‘Boy’ coz of his age. Some Dutch humour.
There were several pilots one called Rifle-Trouser or something sounding like that.
This display was much on my mind when returning from Schiphol on a KLM Friendship descending into Gatwick out of the clouds willing the engine I could see out of the window to keep going and the undercart to descend… and there it was.
No doubt everyone has also seen the vid of G222 mess up Khe Sahn landing at RIAT… I have some footage of it doing a barrel roll. Anyone know where you can see that 707 barrel roll? Check out my YT site for a vid of a Vulcan B1 being rolled at Farnborough by Roly (!) Falk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in4Pmp84BWM
YT
I had it up on YT until the poxmongers shut me down without warning.
Now I have to find it on one my HDs. Stay tuned!
MW here is one of my new YT sites:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Royzie555