Bader Spin off
‘If you go down to the woods today you’re in for a big surprise’
Could it be …Mmmmmmm DB’s long lost tailplane?….Nah!!……perhaps its a’ Nnnnnno…… What you think ????
Merlins over Malta
Yes, mine arrived this morning and I had a long and enjoyable lunch hour remembring that weekend last year in Malta, standing in the Gardens overlooking Grand Harbour.
Great video, memorable scenes, great flying shots. A must for all Merlin fans!!!
Well done the team.
excavations!!!
Well spoken Tim, me thinks I smelt some sour grapes from MBV.
Time, money and sheer difficulties of depth and weight of wreckage make a Digger an absolute necessity. Is there any other way ? After 30 plus years of being involved and watching others, nobody has come up with another way. Land owners can be very wary about how long a time and how big a hole you can dig.
Perhaps I’ve been wrong all along?
U.K sites have been finished for some time now, and France is another phase of aircraft recovery (without human remains).
As for people rushing in to tear of parts for themselves, this was definately not the case on Don Bostocks aircraft and there are others who know that to be the case.
Ask Mrs Bostock!!
bader
As one of the seven man ‘digging team’ who was offered the chance of taking part in the making of Mondays programm, I think it would be right to go back to basics and review the offer made by Wildfire Productions through the auspices of Andy Saunders, who was ‘in charge’ of the detector and digging team.
I was delighted to be asked in the first place, and it was explained that all travel, hotel and food bills would be covered by expenses. That was a pretty good start!! Again it was clearly explained, that any recovered A/c parts would be designated as belonging to Wildfire productions. A)for further possible filming. B) because they had paid for expensive digger hire and for land owners permissions to search (often fruitlessly) many acres of their land.
To a long time enthusiast (36 years), this offer, with its conditions, was a great chance to be involved in a piece of history for better or for worse. I was lucky enough to take time off and accepted.
Time away in France was 5 days and I was rewarded with a fascinating week of cold morning starts, tired evenings, and in the middle, hours of excitement and dissapointment tinged with good companionship, lots of laughs and the finding of wartime aircraft.
I got what I expected and more. We found and dug two good sites out of many duff trial holes and in reality, we led the TV crew a merry dance in mud and false hopes, but in those few days we were able to dispel many ‘old stories’, and give the programm some ‘watchable’ bulk.
Some of the postings on this site are made up of unsubstanciated drivel written by non participents who have not even seen the programm. They know little and write much. They cross wires between researchers and programm makers. Critisize them for previous films they were not involved in,and think that Channel 4 actually made this film. They represent the percentage that like to knock other peoples efforts, probably because they are unable or unwilling to make any effort themselves.
Unfortunately,there are also those who hide behind pseudo site names who have decided to attack leading characters involved in the programm, not because of the programm itself, but because of a personal grievance. Not content with the original invitation, paid expenses and conditions, they were expecting delightfull chunks of Spitfire to bring home, clean, and then even, at a later date, deal in or sell on through the usual well known channels.
Well that was not the deal!!! That was made clear from the start. Hard to swallow it may be, but if that was unacceptable, then they should not have gone to France. Life’s a bitch and then you……….
I have not seen any preview except the usual newspaper comments made to sell newspapers, but I was slightly involved in the making of it. therefore I shall draw my conclusions AFTER Monday.
I suggest all of us do the same.
p.s. If a Spitfire has been reclaimed for rebuild, shouldn’t we all be pleased. Someone will spend an awfull lot of time and money to give us the delight of another flying icon. Could any of us afford to do that?
Peter Dimond
Paphos Shacks
Having been involved in bringing a Blenhiem V (Bolingbroke) and a Lysander back from Canada, I know the enormaty of the physical effort to just dismantle old wings, fusalages,engines and the rest., on two aircraft much smaller than a Shack. Just imagine standing alongside the old girl and deciding where to start. Think about the tools, equipment and manpower required to even start to safely bring her down to managable proportions. Think about the manpower hours required to lay her on the ground in moveable sections. Forget about containers. They would seem like matchboxes alongside just the cockpit section. Then remember you are on the island of Cyprus, where the availability of heavy lift and carrying equipment is limited and definately expensive, just because you must have it and the Greeks would smile and tell you their price. Carriage and Shipping costs for just the cockpit would be beyond all reason. (I know,I lived there for five years).
Sadly the aircraft are in the wrong place except for local preservation, and I fear there is not the wealth of free and devoted enthusiasm in Cyprus, that we have here in UK.
The only good thing is that they are standing in a dry, almost corrosion free climate, which will prolong their outdoor life whilst we all search for a mad millionare who can be drugged, blackmailed or just talked into paying for their preservation.
Merlins over Malta
May I thoroughly recommend anyone with a sense of Malta history to buy this video. I was lucky enough to be standing in Barraccas Gardens, overlooking the entrance of the Grand Harbour of Valletta, when at 6 o’clock precisely, the Spitfire and Hurricane flew in low over the Grand Harbour and gave a wonderfull and nostalgic display, bringing back the sight and sound of those two evocative aeroplanes, for the first time in 60 years.
Lumps in throats and tears in eyes were all around. The most perfect backdrop for both aircraft and a once in a lifetime experience.
Thanks to all those who strove hard to make it happen.
I must have a DVD for me and the next generation.
Well done.
Vormezeele Lysander
I traded both the ‘Canadian Finds’ to Eric V. for a Belgian Stampe, which ended up in Aberdeen for restoration.
Sadly, both the Bolingbroke (9947)and the Lizzie (without wings) were destroyed in the disastrous fire at Le Bourget in the early 1990’s.
It would seem that Eric has found another basket case to work on.
To unwind a little confusion, the article concerning the Canadian Finds was printed in Aeroplane (March 05) but the mass of photos and the story of my Russian finds in 1991/2 has not yet been accepted for publication. (I could put some of the pics on this forum if I can get my scanner in working mode?)
Peter D
Wyverns
I rember seeing a Wyvern dive headlong into the ground at Langrish, Petersfield in Hampshire in the early 1950’s. I was standing on a railway bridge at Petersfield on a sunny day watching three aircraft dog fighting at about 5/7 thousand feet. If my memory serves me right, there were two Vampires (possibly from RAF Odiham) chasing the Wyvern. They were rolling and tailchasing for a few minutes and the Wyvern went into a steep climb, rolled off the top, and dove down after one of the other aircraft. The noise was quite incredible as the Wyvern came lower and lower and then it disappeared behind a small hill. I heard the whoomff as it hit the ground, and saw a pall of black smoke rising skywards. The other aircraft seemed to depart very quickly and then the local siren sounded, calling our fire service crew to go into action.
The Wyvern pilot was an American on exchange posting.