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  • in reply to: General Discussion #280119
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    …and to add, it helps if you remember that the air wasn’t really moving until it hit the leading edge of the wing.

    Then it was accelerated so that its relative speed is reduced as its actual velocity increases. In other words, think backwards, and try to see the relative speed of the ‘moving’ air as resulting from how much it is not being accelerated by interaction with the wing – or more specifically, how that acceleration is being countered by an accelerative force in the other direction caused by bunching of streamlines.

    Then if you imagine that higher relative speed, and resultant lower pressure, being sustained for a distance you can see how it need have nothing to do with the longer journey and its about the acceleration and deceleration (relatively) of the air by the distorting streamlines – somehow its easier to picture when you realise you are working backwards, and picture the wing as being propelled through the stationary air at a velocity that will never quite be matched by the relative velocities that create the lift.

    YES, it’s complicated, or at least an effort for anyone to get their head around – it’s not just NACA/NASA making it so. No, you don’t need to follow this to get a pilot’s license, but the question was about how it actually works 🙂

    in reply to: Dunkirk film – Merged For General Updates And Chat #856032
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    It might not be a 190, it might be a “German Luftwafee” according to the clearly reliable source – https://indierevolver.com/2016/06/06/rumor-warner-brothers-purchased-a-5-million-ww2-plane-for-christopher-nolan-to-crash/

    in reply to: Medley Manor Farm, near Oxford, a little quiz. #856242
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    Tangmere?

    in reply to: Medley Manor Farm, near Oxford, a little quiz. #856253
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    Birthplace of Chairman Mao. Before the Glorious Revolution more and more Chinese land was being seized by evil Capitalist landlords – a process known colloquially as ‘Havee-Land’

    Come the revolution this was reversed. This was known as the great de-havee-land.

    in reply to: Aeroplane Magazine 1940 – 1944 #856417
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    Increasingly rare to find in circulation. Back in the 80’s it seemed a rummage in the magazine pile of any second hand book shop would net a few copies of ‘Aeroplane’. Now.. hardly ever. I think it’s to do with generations – they would be junk from late Grandad’s attic the first time around and a ‘job lot’ or house clearance sold to the bookshop. Now survivors are part of people’s cherished collections, and rarely get ‘job lotted’ out to bookshops or even car boots.

    You got a bargain there – people are asking a fiver for just one. And yes, perfect time capsules – and the ads can teach a lot about aircraft manufacture, often being quite literal and illustrated very carefully. If the Germans really were interested in how we made aeroplanes as was (perhaps arrogantly) thought, they would have studied the ads, not the articles!

    I often wonder whether the ads were really worth it. Would a manufacturer really choose a DH prop over Rotol for the new design because an ad in ‘Aeroplane’? It’s not like Joe Smith or Sidney Camm would go ‘Oh, de Havilland – not heard of them, let’s give their propellers a try’. Same goes for Dowty hydraulics, and many other prolific and frequent advertisers of the time.

    in reply to: Tiger Moth accident at Brimpton #856749
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    Do those that know from experience read anything into the lack of any elevator deflection even at this clearly ‘wrong’ attitude?

    I am not setting myself up as an armchair expert, just a possibly naive question.

    in reply to: Old Warden 2016 #856907
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    I think the distance thing comes into force in August?

    Eye4wings.. Hurricane wings are one of the great mysteries. Yes there are many flying, but if you were to administer a truth drug to those responsible they’d tell you the bits all fitted together to make them slightly different every time. That washout – well spotted. It’s achieved by the front spar tip boom/extension having a ‘drooped’ taper. And it is very subtle – not classic ‘washout’ as it only applies to the rounded tips and not the ‘primary aerofoil’ (and giving the impression of zero incidence when viewed from the side). Now, if you could use that eye to work out the angle off the vertical ‘datum’ on which the plane of the main spar web lies 🙂 Clues – it ain’t vertical, and it ain’t the 2 degree incidence either.. in practice it appears to vary somewhere in between and be how the centre section and its mounting points ‘came together’.

    As an aside, originally the wings were bolted to the factory wall, and that was your jig right there!

    in reply to: Tiger Moth accident at Brimpton #857022
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    Did I miss something or does that ‘safety notice’ keep ALL display flying 150m away and 150m up in all circumstances? That’s going to affect things at Old Warden.

    in reply to: General Discussion #280331
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    Steven wh has more or less nailed it.. A lot of wing foils are symmetrical and they lift when you give them an angle of attack. They still need a profile though, as this works to prevent the drag induced pitch-up a flat plate would quickly give. (Kite strings and your arm out the train window also prevent this). In a free-flying body this is done by shaping to keep flow attached as opposed to turbulent.

    Bernoulli is all about local acceleration of air .. the air does not know what it’s counterpart on the other side of the foil is doing, and isn’t trying to catch up/slow down so it meets its counterpart molecules at the trailing edge! In fact, as pointed out, it doesn’t, there is a slight ‘stagger’. There are two parts to this. The larger effect is simply that the upper surface air has been speeded up and then slowed. Even if it is moving at the same relative speed at the end as it was initially (the aircraft air speed), it will have ‘got ahead’ during its fast phase – and if that phase is sustained long enough this can easily outweigh the longer journey! You won’t get net thrust, as the air is eventually slowed down again, so its not as contrary to the laws of physics as it first seems. Of course, if you heat the air… you get a Meredith effect.. but I digress.
    Then there is a more subtle friction effect, where a ‘flat’ lower surface has slightly more boundary-layer friction drag than the cambered upper surface. What happens at the boundary layer is of no small importance, and is often counter-intuitive. For example, it is quite normal for this layer to flow forward, trailing-edge to leading edge, if only locally.

    in reply to: Tiger Moth accident at Brimpton #857255
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    For a pilot ( and a moderator) there are also hijackers. Normally with some ridiculous belief or other.

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    Yes Sadsack, and that’s another example of the dangers of ‘interpretation’. In the 50’s audiences wanted their war heroes to sound like (or even be) David Niven – and not show any sign of the strain of war. That was history ‘translated’ to suit the culture of the times. Now it puts generation after generation off having any interest in what seems, without context, a posh boy’s jape.

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    The problem is not so much ‘inclusivity’ as ‘relevance’. “The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there” (L.P. Hartley) ..and that is the whole point.

    If it was an exhibition about another culture today, it would be strange to continually try to make artefacts ‘relevant’ to our own culture. But that is what museums in the UK (not just the RAFM) are doing with our past. Which is missing the point. Beamish was a great example of getting it right – presenting, not ‘interpreting’.

    In fact it is more inclusive to NOT try to interpret to (or patronise) a specific culture

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    Reading back posts and looking at things ‘in the round’, it looks to me like those in charge of Hendon’s future are not as clueless as it would first appear. Instead they are focussed with laser-like clarity in a digital and entrepreneurial way on their target audience of semi-retarded photophobic crap-technology fetishists with no interest in history or aeroplanes.

    It is as though the authorities are slightly apologetic about it being an historic aircraft museum, and feel the pill needs to be sweetened somehow – and are casting around for ways of doing it. ‘Battle of Britain’? Bit old-aeroplaney, that. Best get rid of it.. We could replace it with a Samuel L Jackson theme park, cos he was in a film about planes or sumfink. As long as its nice and digital and entrepreneurial.

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    Digital technologies.. As someone who works around the application of new software this is so often the nonsense we hear spouted by people who think just throwing in something vaguely ‘computerish’ will suddenly make an object ‘interpretable’, or an unexciting museum suddenly appealing to ‘yoof’.

    So many misconceptions by highly-paid people, its hard to know where to start.

    The interactive thing? It’ll always look pants – in fact, be a rubbish experience – next to the highly developed and tested games that the intended audience probably played in the back of the car on the way there.

    Software is an odd world. If it was a car, or even a toaster, that stopped working as frequently one would take it back. So if you think you can leave a bunch of interactive displays out there and running, based on the same rushed-to-market, flabby, overblown jack-of-all-trades OS’s out there that we use at home (and they do), then you will get a lot of blue screens before you have had time to pay the first installment to Microsoft.

    But still they do it. Why? Why is a screen different from a noticeboard? It might have had some novelty in 1986, but the old people who think its going to impress kids now are painfully misguided.

    OK, if you spent a LOT of money developing something bespoke to attain the ‘wow’ factor (rather than focusing on being an aircraft museum) it might be worth it. But getting the student intern to download something he/she found in the App store that works on Windows 10 is going to end in the handwritten note taped to the screen.

    To be fair to the 2014 strategy document, there is an emphasis (I think) on using software for collections management – I think that’s what they are getting at. That has to be a more appropriate application of ‘digital technologies’.

    However, as for ‘The Museum will invest to create a digital and an entrepreneurial culture within its staff and volunteers’ I have no idea – unless they mean staff will be encouraged to illegally download and sell stuff?

    ..and speaking of misconceptions, I wish them luck making museum staff both voluntary and entrepreneurial.

    So, when it comes to the public face of the museum, don’t spend the money on ‘Digital Technologies’ – you’re not impressing anyone. Spend it on lighting the objects, keeping them clean, keeping them conserved, paying decent writers – try Copywriters – to write boards that are concise, snappy, but convey a lot of interesting information (not that the Mark V weighed 123lbs more than the Mark II, while you are looking at a Mark XIV), and please not a picture of the exact (to the uninitiated) object you are looking at. And put the museum next to some working examples, or at least in context – not on a dual carriageway in a suburb.

    in reply to: BBMF Lancaster PA474 New Hangar 2016 Duxford, Name??? #858792
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    I like ‘Bob’. Or Kate, for short.

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