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  • in reply to: General Discussion #251435
    Beermat
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    Also, I am not convinced that ‘all’ Government spending is loss making. Dole money doesn’t disappear offshore, you know. It all gets put back into the economy. So it costs money to run the system? Yes, but the DSS worker’s wage doesn’t disappear either. It gets put back into the system when they go to Tesco, pay their gas bill, etc. Again, strangely unquestioned tory myth, that one about welfare spending being equivalent to making money disappear. Follow the money, it doesn’t disappear at all.

    Beermat
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    Also, I am not convinced that ‘all’ Government spending is loss making. Dole money doesn’t disappear offshore, you know. It all gets put back into the economy. So it costs money to run the system? Yes, but the DSS worker’s wage doesn’t disappear either. It gets put back into the system when they go to Tesco, pay their gas bill, etc. Again, strangely unquestioned tory myth, that one about welfare spending being equivalent to making money disappear. Follow the money, it doesn’t disappear at all.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251442
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    I think Corbyn has only mentioned one ‘cut’, which would be Trident, whatever the rights and wrongs of that. His method of spending less than the government ‘earns’ is to make the government ‘earn’ more. And not by taxing those that can’t afford it.

    Now, correct me if I am wrong, but a profitable nationalised industry earns sums for the government that owns it. ‘OH NO, MORE TAX’ the Mail reader will cry. Well, only in the way shareholder’s profits are a tax now. Only in the nationalised model, the money doesn’t go into private pockets, it goes into balancing those books in just the way Conservatives bang on about doing. Not saying it WILL work, just it’s not all about simple ‘redistribution of wealth’, there’s a bit more to the theory than that.

    I feel its this kind of ‘bleedin obvious’ but unmentioned economic building block that should be highlighted in any ‘left’ policy document, but which was oddly forgotten about by B Liar and his gang.

    Beermat
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    I think Corbyn has only mentioned one ‘cut’, which would be Trident, whatever the rights and wrongs of that. His method of spending less than the government ‘earns’ is to make the government ‘earn’ more. And not by taxing those that can’t afford it.

    Now, correct me if I am wrong, but a profitable nationalised industry earns sums for the government that owns it. ‘OH NO, MORE TAX’ the Mail reader will cry. Well, only in the way shareholder’s profits are a tax now. Only in the nationalised model, the money doesn’t go into private pockets, it goes into balancing those books in just the way Conservatives bang on about doing. Not saying it WILL work, just it’s not all about simple ‘redistribution of wealth’, there’s a bit more to the theory than that.

    I feel its this kind of ‘bleedin obvious’ but unmentioned economic building block that should be highlighted in any ‘left’ policy document, but which was oddly forgotten about by B Liar and his gang.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251565
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    Sorry Baz, our posts crossed.

    I take your point!

    in reply to: Merged thread – Unelectable Corbyn and Let's not bomb ISIS #1812333
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    Sorry Baz, our posts crossed.

    I take your point!

    in reply to: General Discussion #251568
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    Hey a Turkey voting for christmas ; )

    Prob better voting tory than for a ‘champagne socialist’ young beermat –

    rgds baz

    Bit of a problem for anyone thinking of espousing non-tory views, that. If you’re less well-off you’re indulging in ‘the politics of envy’, and if you have any more you’re a ‘Champagne Socialist’. I don’t know about unelectable, but it certainly seems you can”t win.. 🙂

    in reply to: Merged thread – Unelectable Corbyn and Let's not bomb ISIS #1812335
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    Hey a Turkey voting for christmas ; )

    Prob better voting tory than for a ‘champagne socialist’ young beermat –

    rgds baz

    Bit of a problem for anyone thinking of espousing non-tory views, that. If you’re less well-off you’re indulging in ‘the politics of envy’, and if you have any more you’re a ‘Champagne Socialist’. I don’t know about unelectable, but it certainly seems you can”t win.. 🙂

    in reply to: General Discussion #251573
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    I think it’s more that the SNP don’t feel any need to follow the orthodoxy of the increasingly neo-liberal Conservative party when it comes to spending. It doesn’t necessarily make their philosophy ‘Left’. There has been an assumption, encouraged by the UK media, that somehow ‘Austerity’ is a Conservative value, rather than a way of clawing back the money lost by the wealthy by laying the burden on the rest of us. Not subscribing 100% to this approach doesn’t make one Karl Marx. And yes, Blair and Brown overspent. Not because they were left wing (and they weren’t), but because they were a bit crap. Unfortunately it has now stuck in the public mind that this was because they were ‘Left’.

    in reply to: Merged thread – Unelectable Corbyn and Let's not bomb ISIS #1812359
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    I think it’s more that the SNP don’t feel any need to follow the orthodoxy of the increasingly neo-liberal Conservative party when it comes to spending. It doesn’t necessarily make their philosophy ‘Left’. There has been an assumption, encouraged by the UK media, that somehow ‘Austerity’ is a Conservative value, rather than a way of clawing back the money lost by the wealthy by laying the burden on the rest of us. Not subscribing 100% to this approach doesn’t make one Karl Marx. And yes, Blair and Brown overspent. Not because they were left wing (and they weren’t), but because they were a bit crap. Unfortunately it has now stuck in the public mind that this was because they were ‘Left’.

    in reply to: Whirlwind Fighter Project September newsletter #893826
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    Unfortunately there won’t be any progress beyond the assembly that Mike put together for the Westland event for a couple of months, while the ARG move workshops up to County Durham. There are a couple of parts that were not with us in Yeovil – one circular frame, and the fin spar. The latter was coming from Airframe Assemblies, but was held up by them having all hands on deck making new cowl parts for the BBMF Lancaster. It is with Chris now.

    The next step will be jigging that assembly, and then the really tricky bit – shaping and attaching the skin ‘planks’. This should be done by Christmas. Then it’s time to start on the tail.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251677
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    Googling ‘corbyn unelectable’ seems to indicate that it’s the press who are using it, when paraphrasing or interpreting his opponents.

    Beermat
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    Googling ‘corbyn unelectable’ seems to indicate that it’s the press who are using it, when paraphrasing or interpreting his opponents.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251682
    Beermat
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    Yep, it’s true. What I make of it is a bunch of career politicians running scared of their chosen party’s own principles raising their heads and making them look like the spineless, slippery tw*ts that they are. By which I mean twits, of course. They chose the party as a career vehicle when the tide was turning against Thatcher, and then pretended they’d never said anything remotely left wing when the tide went out again. Now they are scared of another tide, as they have anchored themselves to new Labour, it not being new any more.

    Watch them rediscover their radical ‘principles’ if Corbyn does end up in charge.

    That’s what I make of it, anyway.

    To answer the earlier point, my imaginary party would be closer to Corbyn than Cameron.. but you don’t want to hear my imaginary manifesto. Catch me at the bar, however..

    Beermat
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    Yep, it’s true. What I make of it is a bunch of career politicians running scared of their chosen party’s own principles raising their heads and making them look like the spineless, slippery tw*ts that they are. By which I mean twits, of course. They chose the party as a career vehicle when the tide was turning against Thatcher, and then pretended they’d never said anything remotely left wing when the tide went out again. Now they are scared of another tide, as they have anchored themselves to new Labour, it not being new any more.

    Watch them rediscover their radical ‘principles’ if Corbyn does end up in charge.

    That’s what I make of it, anyway.

    To answer the earlier point, my imaginary party would be closer to Corbyn than Cameron.. but you don’t want to hear my imaginary manifesto. Catch me at the bar, however..

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