There is such a thing as preservation (not restoration), it need not decay (any more than any other item, flying or not). It is not the fear of crumping that makes me come down firmly in the preservation camp, it is the complete replacement of the majority of the parts. Yes, I enjoy watching ‘trigger’s brooms’ flying, but I don’t want to destroy too many artefacts to make more.
In terms of economics, would there be much profit in making a flyer to carry this one’s plates? It will be an expensive process. I don’t know the answer, it’s a genuine question, not a rhetorical one!
Edit, I hadn’t seen Meddle’s post when I wrote this, apologies for the slight repetition)
Hmmm looking at their other items even the post war instruments such as the Mach 1.3 gauge are labelled as WW2. Perhaps they don’t realise.
If one doesn’t know the date of the item, why make one up? Doing so knowing it might not be the case is as dishonest as knowing the dates and claiming something different. Saying ‘possibly WWII’ or nothing at all are surely the only legitimate routes for the genuine layman.
Some perspective is necessary. A brownfield site might be a former colliery, car plant, shipyard, railway marshalling yard. There are industrial archaeologists, old car enthusiasts, ship nerds and railway enthusiasts who would get as upset as we are about airfields. In the grand scheme of things there is nothing special that separates airfields out as the ‘last’ resort where other options have been considered.
The decline in aircraft manufacturing – it is only an aspect of the decline in manufacturing generally in the failed service-economy experiment. No-one is picking on aviation in particular.
..and the Consolidated Loan, the Short Circuit and the late 60’s Piper Athegatesofdawn.
Also the Miles Davis, the Bristol Fashion, the Curtiss Stigers and not forgetting the classic Ryan Giggs.
I’ll get my cloak.
Uh? An aeroplane enthusiast complaining about having heard of an aeroplane?
Actually, I am extremely angry. I have heard of a Buckmaster! It should have been more obscure! Grrr! I’m going to burn all my volumes of Janes. That’ll show it!
Hi Whitley Project (Elliot)?
You have a PM 🙂
Thanks! I will try that.
It won’t be a Battle on the squadron. It will be either a slip of the pen at the time or a transcription error.
As Gerry says, you are going to need to see logbooks and use deductive reasoning skills to go any further!
EDIT.. Just followed that link.. I think you’ll find it rather useful!!!!
Wow – told you Glenn, there’s always someone on here who knows!
I reckon there wasn’t a K9460 (or rather, that wasn’t a Spitfire – Fairey Battle?), and that entry for 2/9 should have read R9460, making it three sorties in that aircraft.
That one correlation between your work and Gerry’s list, RF-Q / K9940, was a ‘personal aircraft’ of another pilot, Thomas Elsdon – http://www.cieldegloire.com/002_raf_elsdon_t_a_f.php
Yes, had to ask a moderator when I wanted to change a title.. regarding aircraft letters, it’s a tricky area. A pilot would usually have a nominated aircraft, but would often use others as well. Hence the callsign system of section /number. Should that aircraft be replaced, it would often, but not always and rarely immediately be given the same letter as that which it ‘replaced’ by virtue of becoming a pilot’s ‘new’ aircraft. I get a sense from limited researches that the ‘stickiness’ of one’s letter increased with rank. In some cases this is because the Officer in charge of flight might want that denoted for ease of recognition.. eg ‘A’ flight has letters A to M available to it, the leader of A flight having ‘A’, and the leader of ‘B’ flight having ‘N’. I have seen this only in two examples that I have fallen over, no idea how formalised this was, or how widespread. There are many here who know more.
In practice, on a busy front-line squadron, this was never going to be kept up, of course.
It might be tedious to describe in the newsletter the mundane details of labourious and painstaking progress. We have completed a new set of manufacturing drawings for the rear fuselage. The materials are all purchased and ready. Mike is putting together templates for cutting but as you would expect there is a back and forth dialogue about areas that need further information before too much metal is cut. We want to get this right. Currently the focus is on an area around the radio hatch where the frame 10 strengthener extends around the aperture.
I am sure there’ll be lots of images of progress when it is more material than design work. But please be assured, it is happening!
Hi Glenn
Looks like a lot of research there already. One thing to note, it’s not the ‘Callsign’ that you want, these were as described by Antoni and did not involve the individual aircraft letter, which is what you are actually looking for. Having said that, in a perfect world sections, denoted by colour, would have consecutive letters.. but in practice mix and match had to happen.. hence relying on section and number as a descriptor and callsign.. sounds pedantic, but you’ll get better results from the hardcore of experts out there with the terminology ironed out.
Anson fuselages seem fairly common, and nicely modular being tubular frames, so one can be put together from several sources.
The hard bit is the original (wooden) Mk.I wing. It would surely have to be re-manufactured from scratch. Or would the plan be to repeat the New Zealand idea and use the later metal wing?
So, restricts revenues but makes it do-able. Our CAD guy Gunnar has already admitted he’d find it hard to say no if it came to filling in the missing drawings.. if they really are missing. So.. who is going to pay? 😉
Just tried to get my head around this in terms of how it would apply.. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP659.PDF
I think it means if it is to carry more than three passengers it would need all the drawings. Otherwise might get away with it based upon CAA inspection and approval.