As per the thread title it’s a replica or reproduction we are talking about. If it’s a flyer you want, starting with a ‘recovered’ aircraft (that hasn’t been covered in grease and carefully buried in a crate) might get you a dataplate and some bits of tertiary structure (‘original map-case’ kind of thing) but you would need to pretty much build new anyway
So the amount of ‘metal’ still available would be irrelevant to this, except to say that what one really needs to create a worthwhile replica is information, and in the absence of manufacturer’s drawings, old metal can be very useful.
Wonder if they have any Peregrines? ( not serious).
This gets better! Thank you. So that was the cause of the rapid cessation of production. Not a straightforward cancellation at all – but the bombing of an engaged subcontractor, who actually made ‘structures’. Doncaster really was more of an assembly shed, and Radpoe, you were right, Lysanders were manufactured in Sheffield, by the company Ken names. Fascinating stuff!
Really interesting. Thanks! I knew the forum would know 🙂 Making an aircraft factory from scratch – if indeed it was more than an assembly shed – would have been quite an undertaking. Surprised the story seems largely forgotten.
Can’t find anything in print, but Google gave me this – http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_westland_lysander.html
Says that the main difference was the addition of armour, and the removal of some obsolete items, such as a hook for messages.
Either side of the 17. Bit odd.
Graham, yes, that’s what intrigued me. Either an assembly hangar, putting together parts shipped up from the South West (unless a whole new set of subcontractors were engaged).. which could surely have been put anywhere, being just a hangar, including places closer to home, OR a full-scale factory – which isn’t documented as such in any of the Westland info I have. I think it’s fair to assume the former.. odd geography or not?
Found this old thread – http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?79977-Doncaster-Airfield . Post #11 suggests Brooklands did the Wellingtons there as CRO work.. but Westland did Spitfires/Seafires. Alertken, if you are around – where is this info from?
Thanks everyone. Very interesting stuff indeed. All seems a little odd, to create an entire production facility at the other end of the country from HQ – and then only build 17 aircraft there during wartime when production was everything.
This does point up a recent trend – listings that say ‘I think it is an ‘X’, but I cannot be sure’.. In this case the seller says “obviously it’s impossible for us to be sure of the era” – as if text books, the internet and the large pools of knowledge on it (like this one) don’t exist!
Statements like this do suggest a deliberate attempt to avoid any accusations of ‘economy with the truth’, and might be something to look out for as a general rule.
I reckon Dave has it.. Very useful, ta! Thanks everyone 🙂
I did find out that each BA / BSF size has a specific standard threaded length associated with it, while the plain shank length is variable.
Thanks Pete! I should have worked that out 🙂
Ah! Looks like I’ll be justifying another 20 quid out of the housekeeping.
If, as a film-maker, it’s an untold story of allied plane crashes in wartime caused deliberately then there are several examples of sabotage by anti-British activists across the Commonwealth, especially in French Canada. These were hushed up, but are documented if one digs. Whereas the examples mentioned are conjecture inspired by one of the casualties being famous rather than anything being unusual about the circumstances of the accidents.
That is in fact a very good question!
Initially, for phase 1 (the costed, planned part of the project which we are undertaking right now), we are not putting anything in there except a bit of ballast. If there are funds left over I would be tempted to propose to the group that we mock up something to make the ballast resemble Peregrines, but that’s all.
The airframe is being built with a view to a phase 2 – making the aircraft ‘live’, with working ‘plumbing’, electrics etc. This will probably include some kind of engines, though our options are completely open here, and much will depend on the environment she will be displayed in. If there is the chance of wheeling her out and firing her up, then maybe jag V-12’s, maybe Gypsy Majors just to get the props turning with a vaguely correct ‘sound and smoke’ show.. or maybe, if the money is there, a couple of Kestrels for near-complete authenticity.. who knows? But this is all in the far future. Right now we are focussed on building an authentic and accurate airframe. Watch this space for announcements on that, by the way!