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  • in reply to: Great debate continued.. #1121120
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    and by glossing over a great many facts, the Spit won the Battle of Britain 🙂

    :diablo: A great many facts indeed! 😉

    in reply to: Great debate continued.. #1121135
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    I agree, DCK – ‘better’ is a tricky one to prove – and yes, for me there’s only one winner in the beauty contest! As I say, it’s the assertions that the article made that interest me.

    in reply to: Great debate continued.. #1121159
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    This is what I would have thought too. There are veterans and people with close associations with the Few on this forum, and it is they more than anyone
    that I was hoping to poll on this.

    I’m not interested in playground ‘which is better’ arguments, but assertions about ‘fear of stalling’ need to be explored in the interest of impartial historical accuracy over such point scoring.

    in reply to: Stop Press RAF Westonzoyland #1122582
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    Yes, it is a shame, but yeah, don’t feel daft as these things often do stall – I should know! The thing is, if it wasn’t for people with bags of enthusiasm when there’s a chance of something happening, nothing would ever actually happen. And who knows, it might just go ahead when things are sorted. I’ll certainly be happy to help!

    in reply to: Stop Press RAF Westonzoyland #1123304
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    Bump!

    Just fallen over this old thread. What’s the latest on this? I’m an old Zummerzet boy meself, and spent many a formative hour poking around WZ. I would be an avid supporter!

    in reply to: Operation Dynamo and Spitfire Survivors #1135425
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    Were any of the surviving hurricanes involved in this operation?

    curlyboy

    P2902 – G-ROBT (IIRC 245 Sqn), crashed 31 May 1940 near Dunkirk

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1135500
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    It was probably taken remotely after bomb release, to record results – as per my previous posts

    in reply to: Colour spitfire photo 1941 (?) #1136291
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    Thanks Andy

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1136372
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    ..to further the oil plus shadow theory, check out the discolouration behind No.4 on the pic I attached a few posts ago. It matches the pattern of the really dark bits on the wing of the B29. The point of that pic was, though, to illustrate a bomb-bay automatic camera photograph, for comparison (with the added interest of the unfortunate bomb strike on the tail).

    I reckon that the point about the event being finished remains – if I understand correctly, it was made to suggest that the photographer was NOT trying to record a massive oil leak/fire when he took the photograph. I am going further by suggesting that no-one actually took the photograph.

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1136576
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    Not so lucky…

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1136677
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    I’m not sure oil leaks of this kind were uncommon enough for pics – and my other doubt is the composition – if the photographer wanted the oil leak specifically he would have centred on it, or alternatively captured the whole aeroplane. OK, this is conjecture over what may or may not have gone through someone’s mind for a few seconds..

    I think the automatic bomb bay camera is far more likely. The picture was taken vertically downwards, the ‘accidental’ subject is not properly composed in the frame, and there are many other examples of just this kind of shot, most without other aircraft in, but some with.

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1137039
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    Answered my own question – or rather, Roger Freeman has. Fixed bomb bay camera in each aircraft, on a timer. Could well be..

    ‘The Mighty 8th’ also has examples of this type of photo, including at least one that captures another aircraft.

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1137431
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    OK, arguing with myself, but… were target photographs taken by individual USAAF aircraft after release to record bomb strike accuracy, in the way that RAF Bomber Command did? This might possibly be one of those.. in which case the aircraft below was extremely lucky, fire or no fire..

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1137578
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    Possibly as evidence for him having to go round again (or go to a secondary target,) because somebody got in his way, and prevented bomb release. You all seem to be forgetting the standard of the actual print; I have several dozen wartime reconnaissance photos, and none have such strong contrast as this one. Either it’s been printed on an unusually hard grade of paper, or maybe it’s a (photo or laser?) copy, which has deepened the contrast. For me, that engine has shed a lot of oil, some of which has reached as far as the tailplane, and the shadow of the photograher’s aircraft has made it even darker; copy the photo, then play with the contrast, and it’s possible to make out the outlines of the top aircraft’s port engines.
    Edgar

    Of course, one needs to bear in mind that this probably isn’t a reconnaisance photograph. It’s more likely a snap, like many hundreds of similar snaps taken by US airmen of each other’s aircraft in flight. It is unlikely one would take a reconaissance photo with a bl**dy great B29 in between you and the area to be reconnoitred.

    Pagen01, exactly!

    Edit because I read the post again – properly this time – Interesting ‘proof of obstruction’ theory. Would there be time to say ‘would someone get a shot of that plane that’s in the way, please’? I suppose it’s possible – are there any other examples of such photos?

    in reply to: Engine fire or shadow? #1139280
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    Thanks, DL, for giving us something to chew on today!

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