S’right. We shall never surrender 😉
Do you want to borrow my tinfoil hat?
CD – maybe no difference in recent years. Any analysis of what is fiction is shouted down with ‘Trotskyist’ and ‘Back to the seventies’.
We are in the middle of something at the moment – a sort of ’emperors new clothes’ hysteria about ‘wealth creation’ and ‘economic activity’ – so many of us want it to be true that if we move money around fast enough, privatise enough services and open enough hairdressers the money pot magically gets bigger that we won’t hear of anything else.
Similarly, it is easy for a Government to claim that the reason we don’t feel as well off as we should be after all this ‘wealth creation’ is because a treasury balance sheet shows less. Or because filthy foreigners have stolen it. Anything other than saying we haven’t actually created all that much wealth. Sounds Trotskyist when you point out why, apparently.
Look, I am not trying to convert anyone to socialism – I am not even a socialist myself – and I know I have gone on too much. Just put down my own personal thoughts in the context of the forthcoming election. ‘Wind’ and ‘p***ing’ would come to mind if attempting to convert!
John, I have suffered from many things, but paranoia ain’t one of them. It’s a curious phenomenon how often those who don’t take their philosophies from the letters page of the Telegraph are called ‘Paranoid’ by those who do. It’s almost like it’s all you have.
I also wasn’t aware I’d been ‘thwarted’ (I’m doing ok), I probably know less than you about Trotsky never mind being an ‘ist’.. and you do realise you are screaming ‘don’t listen to him’ from the sidelines, don’t you, rather than joining with a coherent argument?
I don’t have distain, and you know that the ‘A’ ark all died from a disease spread by shared telephones, as they arrogantly put telephone sanitisers on the ‘B’ ark. No, services are what they are. I am just introducing a bit of cold logic about where wealth (not clean telephones) comes from. Not goes to, comes from. It doesn’t make me an anything-ist. But it does make me despise the conservatives for peddling fallacies as fact to justify ideological actions that affect my family’s future. It is not an ancient grudge or a class chip. It is not the rashness of youth or a spirit of causeless rebellion. It is seeing the arrogantly and cynically peddled nonsense for what it is.
It’s pretty simple. You said the sale to SoftBank was distressing. So.. why? The same stuff is done by ARM whether it is owned by its own UK management or an acquisitional Japanese conglomerate. Why do they buy it? Because if they put ‘x’ in, they will get ‘y’ out. And yet a big employer like SoftBank is surely what a right-thinking prole would call a ‘wealth creator’.. right?
So don’t you see the doublethink involved in thinking they are both a wealth creator and ‘distressing’?
And can you not see that, despite being expressed in 150 year-old language, all SoftBank are doing is buying the means of production?
Don’t you mean ‘our glorious wealth-creating betters’, CD?
I wrote more – sorry, it’s a bad habit doing a post in several edits.
We can of course cut, advise and nurse people who’s capital came from overseas. That might be a net gainer. You see, the distinction in terms of ‘rightness’ of an economic activity is a misleading one, but so is the very term ‘creating wealth’. It takes a lot to create wealth rather than just move it in a particular direction – even if that means paying a worker – and claim to have created it. It has come from somewhere else. One needs to follow the money – that is not ‘thinking that stopped with Marx’, that is actually paying attention.
I have a mistrust of anything purporting to be a ‘free lunch’. An economy based on cutting each other’s hair or advising each other on tax avoidance is as doomed as one based on nursing each other, whether the money is harvested from the wages as tax or given as health insurance. I have nothing against either profession, but let’s see the wood for the trees. Saying that does not make me a Marxist! Have you read Douglas Adams and the bit about the ‘B’ ark?
Providing this or any other service internationally brings in money and yes, fair enough.
We do have a computing industry. It makes stuff and it exports, and I am proud to work in it.
I don’t have some bizarre hatred of anything involving profit, it would be a curious mindset that did. I suspect it is the mythical loonie lefties that are supposed to be under our beds but no one has ever actually met that do, I don’t know. I will probably be voting for my local Labour candidate but the prospect of Corbyn does not scare me like it is apparently supposed to.
No, I know what they do (edit – financial srrvices, Bruce, not ARM). I use them, I have a bank account. They are an intrinsic part of everything we do. I am asking what they add. What they bring to the party. Seriously. It might be ‘obvious’ but it is interesting to actually think through the answer to the question. My thinking does not ‘stop with Marx’ (and his stuff was more socio-economic than political) – quite the opposite. I am asking questions with intellectual curiosity. Shouting down the question suggests your thinking stopped with Thatcher. I am sure it didn’t really.
As in archipelago? Yes, I got the (oddly threatening) anti-intellectual reference thanks to an education paid for by the state. Bet you hate that.
What does a ‘financial service’ add? I guess if we are servicing foreign wealth we might get something in. Moving our own assets around achieves little. It is possible to be a world leader without going anywhere – Ecuador is a world leader in shoe polishing services.
It doesn’t have to be heavy industry. Think ARM. Very close to the flint knapper – take some silicon and add value.
Not vilifying anyone. We all do what we can. Just thinking about what moves us all forward, and what is just squabbling over a finite resource.
A question of interpretation. I take that as meaning a change of procedure in the court in which it is being heard that may have happened between the act and the trial.
If this has always been the ECJ aporoach there has been no retrospective change in procedure, just a different court where a purposive approach applies looking to adjudicate retrospectively – ie on a case where the acts in question happened at a time that that court had no juristriction.
Are you suggesting that an English court would look forward in time and presume – ahead of any proceedings or judgement – that the case that by then would have already been adjudicated on would be referred, by virtue of the as-yet-unknown outcome, by the UK to the ECJ so that it would hear an appeal using law applied retrospectively by a court that had no juristriction at the time of the acts in question or during the first proceedings and judgement, and based on a purposive argument? And it would thus hear it with a purposive approach to head that somewhat unlikely chain of events off?
Tenuous, wouldn’t you say?
Apart from better hair.