When did Dianne Abbott call you a racist who hates foreigners?

I am calling you an abusive person, and that post offensive, no matter how liberal your credentials.

When your best argument is calling someone a foul name, maybe you shouldn’t have been voting on something as serious as deliberately damaging our economy, for WHATEVER reason. Your post might well serve to reinforce some prejudices about the degree of thought behind the brexit vote. It was certainly below the standard of discourse on this forum, however heated it gets.

I did not cry ‘what OECD report”. I identified the one you meant and pointed out their sample of 29 countries were the top 29 out of many more that exist in the world. ‘Slippery’ is an adjective often used by people who aren’t concentrating.

I did not cry ‘What disunity’. I said it was irrelevant. If you think voting out or in had anything to do with the unity or otherwise of Her Majesty’s opposition then you really have not being paying attention, as you weren’t to my answer.

So that’s at least two fails right there, before I even begin countering..

Not too subtle, just weak. Any round that misses is wasted, and that one missed. It would only turn anything on it’s head if you believe the EU are interfering with the journalistic pursuits of the Independent.

Me, no. There’s no conspiracy of greed, the system that prevails has evolved naturally for better or worse depending on where you are in it, and it is a democratic fact that enough people are happy with it for it to go on, etc. I am just attempting to disperse some fog – increasing inequalities are built-in to this arrangement, and it takes the kind of interference that it is currently, I am told, unvotable-for to halt that drift. It is others that are finger pointing at other specic groups and saying ‘its all their fault’, not me.

It is a shame that people think Marx and Engels were a firm of tax lawyers. This is part of the problem. I am not advocating a ‘Marxist’ state, but I am advocating the same objective clarity and rigour being applied to the current situation.

The problem is the presence of external shareholders who give less than a toss. Directors, managers and workers get paid as long as a business carries on – which they tend to when left to their own devices. However a stock market not only makes necessary a difference between the worth of the staff and what they actually get paid (ie a profit) worse it also drives that margin to be as great as possible.

It can be easily negated – tie what the staff get paid to the value they add. The simplest way is have them at least partially own the company – they themselves are shareholders. Not so much fantasy as John Lewis – https://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/about/our-constitution.html
Starfish, you raised this – this is something socialists -or at least those who have read a bit – perceive, but it is not fashionable to admit to grasping the principle, even if secretly you do.

Tax is largely irrelevant in all this. It is either progressive or regressive, but ultimately it is an often unseemly squabble over a part of that margin.

The UK figure was a token, ‘amnesty’ amount, pretty much a ‘finger in the air’ figure designed to show the principle that you can’t evade tax in the UK and to show for their own PR that Google pay tax. The actual amount owed was something like the French figure.
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John, if you are trying to make out your point was that NHS staff are not overweight then yes, I did consider the possibility that this was what you were trying to get across, if somewhat obscurely. If there is some even more arcane point behind what appeared a very bizarre question then I apologize, it is beyond me.

However, if you are doing the common adolescent thing of saying something stupid and then, when brought up on it, making out it was actually very clever but no-one understands – then I think I now have your number.

The nameless person in question is an unlikely advert for the post.

Having spotted the fallacy of the Transport Minister argumement you are reverting to that one…