Comprehension not your strong point? I wasn’t calling you a liberal – and I understand your social problems.
Let me help you. Running and hiding rather than doing something about your situation is one motive, and it makes you angry. Economic migrancy rather than seeking asylum (running and hiding) also makes you angry, and you seem confused as to which you are angry about, accusing people of both at the same time. Take a breath. Have a think. That’s what they would have taught you if you’d been promoted.
Come on Rambo, answer my question.
Agree.
But this has nothing to do with refugees. Think about the conditionals you yourself applied. ‘If you love your Country’. What if your country is so f*cked up you actually don’t love it any more?
I ‘get’ where you are coming from in this. But you have not answered my question where I put you in a Syrian refugee’s shoes. What would you do? Stand and fight.. who? Both sides? Your own shadow? Bloody liberals and their goddam logic?
Paul, did I misunderstand?
In the words of Homer – ‘It’s funny ‘cos it’s true’.
That much is clear. You have contempt for people who are either escaping war or seeking a better life, or both. Why the contempt? And where does the ‘let there (sic) families drown’ bit come from? I don’t read your hate-filled and poorly-written ‘newspapers’, so I honestly don’t know.
‘Fight for your own country’? Do you have any clue at all about what is actually going on in the world? Rhetorical question.
You are a family man in a small town in Syria. First you are sh*t on from a great height by a nasty leader, but the only viable opposition is ISIS-funded and believes in raping your daughters into submission to Allah. Then the Russians start bombing your town indiscriminately – in support of that nasty leader. So, Paul, having manned up how do you now plan to ‘fight for your country’?
You have heard of the Beatles, then? No, not them. Probably didn’t get as far as your 1950’s Tory dream-world. Warning: 1:10 onwards might make you spill your Ovaltine – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NFaQcTJsg
Ramble on ☺
John, your trade might be Wren’s. Your talent? Please show us one of yours.
I am inclined to agree with Bruce. I think the left needs to evolve in its own time. To me, Corbyn is a part of that evolution. I also agree that they could have booked, and the idea was to show what happens if you don’t, along with the rows of empty but unusable seats that result from the ‘necessary’ booking system. It was set up to show something, I have no doubt. Does not make anyone a liar apart from possibly Virgin trains press and PR team.
Yes Tony. It is still a film.. in common parlance, if not technically. Sort of a video diary.
However, it’s only a ‘seedy little’ film if you have some pre-loaded bias and wish to denegrate.. as is the way you have wriggled backwards from ‘liar’ through ‘no-one should expect to sit together’ (and by the way, he didn’t) while remaining spiteful as the facts come out. I ask again.. please think.. why? What is your actual problem here?
And ‘racist’? That’s quite a stretch.
I wouldn’t give a toss what an abusive Mail-regurgitator likes if this wasn’t a democracy (as you like to YELL IN CAPITALS) – but Brexit shows that such logic-free personalisation of political themes does unfortunately matter, and thus it makes some people curious as to where it comes from, all this renewed spite and vitriol towards someone whos political ideas have held no actual sway for decades. You have seen my theory.
Oohh, capitals! Someone pressed a button, Mr. T? It’s a video blog, or vlog. Not a ‘seedy little film’ whatever the Telegraph calls it.
And the full story is those seats were made available by offering up a lot of first class upgrades.
No. I am not employed by Corbyn. It might surprise a modern Conservative, but not everything I say or do is for financial gain.
Sometimes I just step back and observe. I cannot conceive the sheer weight of political prejudice that would make one believe the PR team of a man who stands to lose a lot if people listen to someone over that someone themselves. And over several witnesses.. all of whom were independent, despite the misinformation being put about. And if I may, how is it a cheap shot at anyone? The press made it personal. As does name calling.
Corbyn was talking about the train service, not Richard Branson. For some reason, the Mail-educated are talking about Corbyn, not the train service..
I don’t believe in St. Jeremy.. I am listening, but all I am hearing is some long winded over complicated non-story cooked up by a billionaire’s PR department in full defensive mode about some train seats and a video.
We get the politicians in power that we deserve. ‘Knob’, ‘Turd’.. while this remains the tenor of political debate then we are all stuffed.
Virgin trains are very often rampacked. Does my saying that make me a knob too?
Or, does it make these people knobs – Ellen, from the same article:
“He’s not lying. When I saw him he was in coach A, right at the front. He hadn’t managed to find a seat in the whole of the train. I was sat on the floor, there was no space for me to get a seat. There were people in every space between every carriage. It was totally overcrowded. They were full of bags and full of people.”
Another woman, Keren Harrison, tweeted a photo of herself with Corbyn on the train, saying there was only a seat for him about 45 minutes into the three-hour trip “when staff started shuffling people around”
Bruce, note that last bit. The shuffling people around. It was quick thinking by Virgin trains that created the ‘space’ around J that they could then use as a counter on social media. He was offered an upgrade to first, which he very sensibly refused. So Virgin did the next best thing for their PR; and offered the upgrade to those around him.
Which bit makes him a knob?
Has no-one noticed the Virgin tweet of ’empty seats’.. every one reserved? But why is no-one calling Mr. Branson a liar? A bloke points out his service is a bit ****e, his ‘people’ go into overdrive, tell the papers what to say and suddenly that bloke is a knob.
I ask again, why?
Having thought about it – is it because you, like many of the generation whom neo-conservative policy benefitted in the short term are almost violently opposed to being quietly reminded that there is no such thing as free money, and that they were pawns in the longer-term parallel draining of value from the British economy and values from British society, for short-term gain.
There is a voice explaining to your children’s generation that you took all the cash, through immediate vote catchers like selling off the housing stock (genius that one – how to destroy the anti-neocon concept of housing-for-all while winning the vote – for the first time – of the ‘class formerly known as working’). An annoyingly apposite voice saying in a non-PR-trained voice ‘If you read a bit of economic theory then you’ll see that this stagnation that is affecting you personally was entirely predictable, and the real left had been saying it consistently since 1979’.
That the whole thing was an exercise in the Emperors New Clothes, and if you’d actually ‘asked Sid’ he’d have told you that your free BT money came from somewhere, and wasn’t a gift from Margaret. That sending half the nation’s youth to University so their parents could bang on about how ‘he’s the first one from our family to go’ didn’t make the parents classier or the kids cleverer – just poorer. That everything came from (or would one day come from) someone. And the macroeconomic picture is all that matters in the long term, not a fast buck.
There is a whole generation that seems to get very upset that someone is pointing all this and more out to posterity, and who feel he must be silenced. After all, the official story was ‘It was all the foreigners’ fault, wasn’t it? We’ll have enough on our wrinkled hands explaining that one, now our bluff has been called”..
I’d appreciate it if this could be refuted with more than ‘Bollox’.
Why is Jeremy a turd?
What on earth has he done to you? He seems to attract a lot of very personal abuse, the sort (‘turd’) you’d get punched for where I come from, and certainly suggesting some specific prompted indignancy – but nobody seems able to explain why they are doing it apart from ‘The Daily Mail says it so it’s ok’, ‘He is an actual Socialist’ ‘He appears to have read some books’ or ‘He has a beard’..
Please enlighten. (Not you John, I know that the reasons above are exactly your justification for switching from civilised reasoned argument to personal abuse).