A-a-a-ah, the Lee-Enfield .303 rifle of mid-50’s Nat Svc Square-Bashing fame. Not just the raising of the sight, but also the tiny bit left/right to compensate for the wind when on the Long Range!! Then we got that FN brute. And after that the current abortion!!
Can I ask if the current air-to-ground firing lays off any/all of these problems, or do they just get near enough, and fast enough, to point the sharp end of the a/c at the target and press the tit? When I were involved in these dark arts it was transitioning from CAS to FGA (or the other way round?).
As a mere Mobile Met Man I watched many a young gentleman miss everything at the East Coast ranges. Or frighten the bejaysus out of the citizens of Richmond, Yorks, when (supposedly) attacking the local ranges!
One had to keep a straight face at post-Ex briefings!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
A-a-a-ah, the Lee-Enfield .303 rifle of mid-50’s Nat Svc Square-Bashing fame. Not just the raising of the sight, but also the tiny bit left/right to compensate for the wind when on the Long Range!! Then we got that FN brute. And after that the current abortion!!
Can I ask if the current air-to-ground firing lays off any/all of these problems, or do they just get near enough, and fast enough, to point the sharp end of the a/c at the target and press the tit? When I were involved in these dark arts it was transitioning from CAS to FGA (or the other way round?).
As a mere Mobile Met Man I watched many a young gentleman miss everything at the East Coast ranges. Or frighten the bejaysus out of the citizens of Richmond, Yorks, when (supposedly) attacking the local ranges!
One had to keep a straight face at post-Ex briefings!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
It might be instructive (or not, as the case may be) for those ‘in favour’ or ‘agin’ the arguments in this thread to read (at least) Chapter 10 of “The Finest Years – Churchill As Warlord 1940-45” by Max Hastings, Harper Press, 2009. Now I hold no banner for Max Hastings – possibly an overrated author – but if the statistics he states on a/c production and/or factory behaviour during WW2 in UK are to be believed then there might have been a reasonable proposition to use some Stalinist procedures to get the UK a/c factories to produce more than the norm. Or did UK WW2 politics get in the way?
HTH
Resmoroh
Not an early mini-Gigante? (Or do I expose my hardware ignorance?).
Resmoroh
Graham,
Do you want excerpts from the old “Airmet” broadcasts, or from Shannon Aeradio on a Saturday afternoon when the operators had come on duty from a couple hours of “refreshments”. Real fall about material – especially when you were trying to receive the eastern N American Obs/TAFs!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
49 Sqn (Lincolns) were, during part of the Kenya Det, based at Wittering. They used to rotate the airframes (major servicings, etc) and crews from time to time. The outbound flights always seemed to take place on a Saturday morning. Wittering airfield had to stay open after a Kenya-bound a/c had taken off for Luqa until it had reached its PNR. Seemed to take for ever (the Lincoln was not the world’s fastest fan-driven bomber!!!!!!!!!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
1/8th Bit,
Malcom Barrass’ excellent site at http://www.rafweb.org/ will give you the sorts of airfields that 50 (Training) Grp were looking for. Not, as far as I can see, places that could be flown from, but did not require too much funding/effort.
50 (Training) Group (and, indeed, HQ FTC) located in the Reading area. My neck of the woods. If I can help then I will!
HTH
Resmoroh
Spent more time in 301 than most of you lot have had ‘ot dinners!!!!
Resmoroh
Aeronut 2008 (re post #59),
Looks like you and I were at opposite ends of the same problem at (roughly?) the same time? You had to get the Grunts/Stores out of the a/c in a safe fashion. Having done that (and assuming the Drivers, Airframe, got the a/c into the right place (in 3 dimensions) and the Nav put the “Green On” quickly, and the PJI ‘Bouncer’ got the Grunts out quickly) then my lot took over to get the blokes/loads from the a/c to the right place on the ground! Many interesting drops in that period!!
HTH
Resmoroh
I was NSA Self-Loading Freight (SLF) aboard a civilian York in 1954 on the way from Stansted to the Canal Zone. We stopped at Qrendi to refuel. The SLFs had about their 5th lot of Eggy Bakes ‘n Chips in 24 hrs. We filed back in and sat down/belted up. They started everything up and we were about to taxi out when I felt a drop of something on my head. It wasn’t water – but petrol!!! Now if we’d been allowed to take off, and the ‘No Smoking’ signs were switched off, and we’d all lit up (everybody smoked in them days), we’d have been yet another unexplained York flash & bang somewhere over the Med. As it was the cabin crew alerted the Skipper. We were all evacuated (to our 6th Eggy Bakes!) while they sorted out the problem. NOT, I might add, where the leak was coming from but just blowing air through the cabin to evaporate the smell/leaking fuel!! HASAW eat your hearts out! We eventually lobbed in at Fayid to guess what? Eggy Bakes #7. So I have to apologise for making a nuisance of myself since then!
HTH
Resmoroh
Re Post #14
I don’t think the problem is that of the paratrooper hitting the C-47 tail, but of the parachute fouling the tail. When the trials were carried out prior to the filming of the para-drops for the film “A Bridge Too Far” these were conducted by PJIs from 1 PTS on to the DZs at Hankley Common and Everleigh.
The point at which the static line pulls the cover off the parachute is governed by the length of the static line. This, in turn, is governed by the positioning of a metal stop which is clamped to the running cable inside the fuselage of the C-47. It is clamped with 6 bolts and is known – not surprisingly – as “the 6-bolt stop”.
Once it was clear that the PJI would not hit the tail the next stage was to make certain that the parachute itself did not wrap itself round the tail-plane. This was done by adjusting the position of the 6-bolt stop. To check the parachute/tail-plane clearance the underside of the port tail-plane was painted with black printers ink. The brush strokes were at right-angles to the direction of flight. After each drop the parachutes were examined for the presence of any tell-tale ink. After landing back at Odiham the a/c was also inspected for any signs of the chutes having flicked the underside of the tail at the deployment phase.
HTH
Resmoroh
For those who don’t know the Transatlantic Air Race (TAR) of 1969. It was definitely Navy v RAF. But within the RAF there were several other mini-TARs. Not everything could land at RAF St Pancras. The bigger fixed-wing stuff landed in UK at Wisley. The Competitor was then flown by helicopter to the GPO tower. You will not be surprised to learn that one of the pax in the chopper on the way to London was a Customs Officer to ‘clear’ the Competitor – after all you can’t be too careful!
There were trial-runs on Sun 4 May, Tue 6 May, Thu 8 May, before the Race itself (or ‘cancelled’ trial-runs!!). Meteorology from Wisley was required for all of these (there being no ‘formal’ Met at Wisley. The Mobile Met Unit supplied on daily detachment from HQ 38 Grp Odiham). Observations were made on the race day from late evening on Sat 10 May to ‘close of play’ on Sun 11 May. The ‘Met Office’ was a clapped out (ex?) Recruiting Caravan (and b****y cold and uncomfortable it was!). Amongst other participants (I can’t remember them all) was an RAF VC-10. It lobbed in at Wisley. The Competitor ran down the steps into the chopper and away. Then all the other VC-10 persons appeared. At least 1 x Gp Capt, a brace of Wg Cdrs, a Squabble of Sqn Ldrs, etc, etc, All on the manifest as “Crew”! This profusion of ‘crew’ was viewed from the Wisley tower by, amongst others, Brian Trubshaw who commented as this lot poured forth down the steps “Fer Rice Cake, I didn’t think we’d made the VC-10 that difficult to fly!!!”. Much falling about in tower!
Also was a 543 Sqn (?) Victor with GT engines and “go-faster” stripes. We weren’t allowed to note just what time that took to cross The Oggin – but it weren’t long!!
And when I got back to Odiham on the Sunday I put the Landrover into MT. Then I got a mild b*llocking from the Sgt MT Controller for not having completed the paperwork properly.
Much later I got a nice letter from the Senior Met Man in the RAF Race Control Cell at HQ STC High Wycombe saying how much they had valued the Obs I had done – blah, blah, blah! Little did I know what the next 27 yrs was going to bring!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Alan,
Yes, I was at Wisley whenever there were any TAR movements between 4 May – 11 May 69.
HTH
Resmoroh
Try the WAAF Association at http://freespace.virgin.net/frank.haslam/waafa.html.
Or [email]Waafamag@beryl132.freeserve.co.uk[/email]
You might find something!
HTH
Resmoroh
Steve,
You’re on the wrong Forum! rafcommands has more experts on Czech and Polish WW2 aircrew than you could shake a stick at tom-cats in a fish-market on a Sunday!!
HTH
Resmoroh