“The Storm of War”, by Andrew Roberts (Allen Lane 2009). Many of the Senior Commanders in WW2 (and this goes back to Wilmot’s “Struggle For Europe”, (Collins 1952)) would, nowadays be housed in Secure Accommodation (Montgomery, Zhukov, Patton, Clark, Bradley, Leigh-Mallory, Wingate, etc). Some may even have been considered for even more serious Registers! Many of the other (UK) Senior Commanders came from priviledged upper-class (cavalry) backgrounds (I will except Bill Slim in Burma!).
We did NOT win WW2 (regardless of Bomber Command, etc, losses). We can now say what we think on Fora like this because “They” lost it thanks to the brilliant military mind of a certain Corporal Schickelgruber.
HTH
Resmoroh
So are there no photos of Valiants at Wittering with 40-gall drums on wheels placed under the major ‘drip points’ to catch the fuel which dripped out and would, otherwise, have eaten the hardstandings away?
And are there no photos of Valiants using RATO? And are there no records of the discarded RATO hot ironmongery falling on to farmer’s fields twixt Cuckoo Lodge and Tixover Grange off the end of the westerly runway? The bog-standard Valiant (with max fuel and a bucket of Instant Sunshine on board) couldn’t get off from Wittering if the engine icing conditions were about (roughly Oct-Mar – Russians please do not attack us during this period!). Can’t remember what the precise conditions were, but I think t/o conditions with ambient temp less than 4C and the RH greater than 95% – occurred fairly often at Wittering.
And I couldn’t even tell my parents why I was getting petrol rations for my motorbike at the time!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Would that have been 512827 Warrant Officer J. Turnock who was Mentioned In Dispatches in the LG for 1 Jan 1946?
HTH
Resmoroh
One of the more “couth” airshows (and there aren’t too many of those!), especially if the Station hosting it was in the Group of which one was a Minor Cog! Good fun!!
Resmoroh
Thirded,
Resmoroh
Needs the money, the fame, and the public acclamation. Therefore, needs psychological help. QED.
Resmoroh
Absolutely true. The Strines are quite different from any other social grouping (he said, delicately!) on the earth. As they used to say in Yorkshire (another ‘different’ social grouping) – and may still do “There’s nowt so queer as folk”!! In America it’s Texans! You may begin to detect a pattern here!
HTH
Resmoroh
Tin Triangle,
Your hope that “I’d rather they concentrated on getting the props, casting, locations, Lancasters, main storyline and script etc believable and accurate.” is – as you full well know – not likely to be achieved within the limits of criticism on this Forum. However brilliant the re-creation may be (Black Labs names aside) there will – I guarantee it – be those who will cavill that “The oxygen mask used was not issued until 6 months after the time of OP CHASTISE”. Or some such equally fatuous niff-naff and trivia.
The whole point of the original film was very strongly made when, at the close, Gibson walks away saying “I have some letters to write”. The technicalities were brilliant, the (then) CGIs were a bit primitive, but the casualties were far, far, more important. Any remake is totally irrelevant, and only designed to part your hard-earned money from your wallet. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.
Respectfully (to the 617 Sqn casualties)
Resmoroh
I did a number of the very early Greenham Common airshows. I took formal Leave of Absence from my Govt employer to participate in the airshow as a qualified, professional, meteorologist. We “borrowed” a lot of Met kit to do our job. We were insured (as individuals), by the airshow, for some vast amounts of money – just in case we put some aeronaut down in Aldermaston, or Burghfield! We all worked very hard, over long hours. But it was good fun. HASAW had not even been thought of then. We made it up as we went along – “Common Sense” was the watchword. I think Tim Prince will (give or take a bit!) concur.
So – do not even think about it. We all have to reduce national expenditure. Fripparies like airshows are, regretfully, way, way, down the list of “Things of Importance”!!
HTH – but, yet again, I know it won’t!
Resmoroh
Waghorn41, Hi,
Oh dear, Oh dear.
Having started my Met Office/military career at Wittering (and I lived in Peterborough!) I know what you mean! It would, undoubtedly, have been quicker/more effective to send a wagon to the source. But you are in danger of invoking one of the most dangerous things of all – Common Sense!! You must rid yourself of this urge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Resmoroh
Tony,
Sounds like coming up the Rhone Valley in a Beverley in the teeth of a howling Mistral and watching goods trains overtake you??!!
Rgds
Resmoroh
OG, Hi
Definitely ‘AOG’ means ‘Aircraft On Ground’. In the V-Force days an AOG spare part often meant a car (or motorcyclist) being sent to the manufacturers to fetch whatever.
It was still in use on Op CORPORATE. While on Ascension we ‘blew’ a small (but vital) circuit-board in the satellite receiver. We signalled UK for a replacement. SRAFO ASI said “Put ‘treat as AOG’ in the signal”. We did. The spare arrived next day! We later learned that some ‘Erbert at the manufacturers had been hauled out of bed in the middle of the night to get The Bit to Lyneham in time to catch the next Herc to ASI!!
It means “Do Not ‘Ang About”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Quite
Moggy,
You must do Knossos – it puts a lot of things (including WW2, and aviation) into perspective.
You must also (possibly with the Lady Moggy?) walk high up some ajacent hillside from your Mrs Miggins’s. Carry something heavy in your back-pack. The sun will be shining, the insects buzzing, etc, and all might seem to be well with the world. Then imagine the same scene with 2 foot of snow and a howling wind. That’s how many Cretans kept out of the clutches of the Germans – the horrific pix we’ve just seen showed what happened to those who didn’t.
I did a similar journey many moons ago. We got to a tiny hamlet high up some hillside. I had no local lingo – they had no English. There was a well. I motioned to some old guy “Could I take some water?”. He shook his head. In next to no time it seemed like half the inhabitants were there. Bread was produced (the crust would have defied AP ammo!), cheese was produced (the smell should have been outlawed under the Geneva Convention!), and wine was produced (it would take the enamel off your teeth!!). One of the best lunches I’ve ever had. We couldn’t understand each other – but with a bit of miming and facial expressions everybody was soon falling about!!
Yrs Aye
Resmoroh
And they were bl**dy dangerous!! They could hurl lethal chunks of packed ice for some considerable distances!! Those of us going about our legal duties on the (Wittering in the mid-50’s) airfield had to keep an eye out for what the snow/ice blowers were up to. They would creep up on you at half throttle, and then turn all the knobs fully clockwise, and then laugh as you scuttled for cover under a rain of ice shrapnel!
HTH
Resmoroh