Post #16 says it all (tks Bruce). The use of logic, and reasoned argument, is not used often enough!
However, having read the thousands of words that have been written on Shoreham, I do get the distinct impression that the pro-Air Show community are ‘whistling in the dark’.
HTH
Resmoroh
At some stage the scales will fall from the unbelievers eyes. The writing – as they say – is well and truly on the walls. The “Air Show” – as such – will very soon replicate Monty Python’s Norwegian Blue Parrot!! I regret this (having done many of the early “Greenhams) but a significant number of those in the air, and/or those on the ground doing what they should (or should not) have done for those in the air, have – unfortunately – sealed the Air Show’s fate. It would probably have been so regardless of the increasing resort to M’learned Gents and their exceptionally renumerative litigation!
Sadly,
Resmoroh
Hello All,
Some of the RAF/RAAF a/c involved in the atomic tests were “very hot indeed” when they landed back after a sortie. They were washed down by blokes in just shorts/socks/boots – nothing else!! Some, after being washed down, were still “very hot”. IIRC a couple of RAAF Lincolns were so “hot” they were dumped in the ‘oggin!! I’ve got a thick file on the meteorology of the various atomic tests in that part of the world (un-digitised, I’m afraid!) which contains quite a lot about the various a/c fall-out monitoring missions. The lack of RADHAZ safety precautions would make your hair curl!! These flights were the forerunner of the various Ops AROMA in later years!
HTH
Resmoroh
TFD! Your best bet is to get his Service Record from Disclosures at RAF Cranwell. It will cost you 30GBP, and take a couple of months to appear. But at least you will be able to determine where he was, at what date, and (probably) for what reason. When you have his ‘official’ dates/movements you will then be able to either include – or exclude – the rumours/scuttle-butt/tittle-tattle/stories from family&friends, etc, etc.
HTH
Resmoroh
David, Hi,
Nobody seems to want to play with you, so herewith a few bits from the LG:
John Dering Nettleton
Air Ministry,
10th October, 1939.
ROYAL AIR FORCE. GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH
The undermentioned Acting Pilot Officers on probation are graded as Pilot Officers on probation with effect from 3rd Sept. 1939, and confirmed in their appointments with effect from 6th Oct. 1939: —
John Dering NETTLETON (41452).
3rd Sept. 1940.
The undermentioned Flying Officers are promoted to the rank of Flight Lieutenant: —
John Dering NETTLETON (41452).
Air Ministry,
24th September, 1941.
ROYAL AIR FORCE.
His Majesty has been graciously pleased to give orders for the publication of the names of the following who have been mentioned in
despatches by Air Officers Commanding-in-Chief: —
Flight Lieutenants.
J. D. NETTLETON (41452) (Acting).
Air Ministry.
28th April, 1942.
ROYAL AIR FORCE.
The KING has been graciously pleased to confer the VICTORIA CROSS on the undermentioned officer in recognition of most conspicuous bravery: —
Acting Squadron Leader John Bering NETTLETON (41452), No. 44 (Rhodesia) Squadron.
Fit. Lts. granted the rank of Sqn. Ldr.- (war subs.): —
J. D. NETTLETON, V.C. (41452). 2nd June 1943.
HTH
Resmoroh
It was done (post #5), I suspect, to keep Oxford Archaeology employed. Although just why a commercial organisation has charitable status escapes me! Universities (and their sub-departments) used to be places of higher education. But when, as a (very) mature student some 15 years ago, I did my (self-funded) archaeology degree I found that the writing was already appearing on the wall. Universities are, increasingly, little more than educational factories run by/with/from bean-counters, although retaining the flummery of gowns and gold-lace, etc, as a PR ‘front’. Don’t get me wrong – I hugely enjoyed my 3 years, and it also taught me a great deal. But the academics did resist the odd acerbic comment on reality – even then.
Some new information may well come out of this (and other) digs, but whether the tax-payer (who foots the bill) is getting value for money I very much doubt.
Aircraft excavations by aero-enthusiasts are often under-funded and under-organised. Aircraft excavations by academic archaeologists are often under-funded and over-organised. If there was to be a meeting of minds then we might be in a better place to get at as near the truth as it is possible to get.
HTH – but I know it won’t (some minds are irretrievably made up!)
Resmoroh
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35773975. Looks like a lot of people (both in the air and on the ground) were not being very clever? Whatever the airshow business/hobby has coming to it, it only has itself to blame!
Resmoroh
And what percentage – if I may ask – of the UK voting population is actually involved in going to, officiating at, and/or flying/maintaining/paying-for airshows? Miniscule is the answer. There is NOT “a very significant industry”. Therefore, it is a minority sport. So there is no overweening need to keep any of them in existence. Would save an awful lot of needlessly spent money. One could, possibly, exempt RIAT and Farnborough? They are, after all, not airshows but corporate bunfests where manufacturers and/or bankers try to flog NEW aircraft, as opposed to displaying OLD aircraft. And I speak as one who did a significant number of the very early IATs at Greenham (working 18-20 hr days/nights!).
HTH – but I know it won’t because minds that are already made up are not susceptible to reality!
Resmoroh
Re Post #78. The object of the exercise was not to obliterate the runway – we would (and did) need it later. I would suggest that Black Buck caused the involuntary loosening of quite a number of sphincter muscles in Buenos Aires?!! I remain proud to have been part of the teams that made Black Buck work!
HTH
Resmoroh
CAA bolting the stable door after the horse has fled (or been killed in a totally unnecessary display accident!). Not before time! The pleasure of a few, by a few, should not hazard the many. If it’s all stopped (even if by ‘knee-jerk’ politicians) then the two ‘fews’ have only themselves to blame. I’m old enough to remember the DH110 crash – and that was a new aircraft.
HTH – but I know it won’t!
Resmoroh
30 mins ago back-end of a Dakota heading SW over W Reading at c. 1500ft. Too far away for any idents, but I remember the sound of those engines from WW2
HTH
Resmoroh
And will this film show him as the arrogant and cantankerous Shell executive touring N Africa (in the early 50’s). Probably not!
Resmoroh
Regretfully, the first phrase of PanzerJohn’s last sentence says it all. And it is becoming all too common in all walks of life. Depends upon who you vote for! You gets what you votes for! Those who say they are interested in aviation history but not in politics get what has occurred in this instance – a “quango queen” (and there are a lot of ’em!). Do NOT leave the organisation to somebody else while you are being orgasmic over a Mk 17c Floggle-Toggle.
HTH
Resmoroh
And I thank you for the phrase “quango queen” – I will use it myself in the future (with appropriate niceties)!
Jules, Hi,
This might be yr man?
ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE. GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
Appointment to commission.
As Plt. Offs. on prob. (emergency): —
Wt. Offs.
778431 Robert William HODGSON (160173). 27th Jan. 1944.
Enlistment number of 778431 indicates he Enlisted in Rhodesia in Jun 1940
ROYAL AIR (FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE. GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH.
Confirmation and promotion.
Plt. Offs. (prob.) confmd. in appts. and to be Flg. Offs. (war subs.): —
R. W. HODGSON 1(160173). 27th July 1944.
HTH
Resmoroh
thedawnpatrol, Hi,
Had a quick look in most of “the usual places” for yr man. Nix! Can you check spelling of Surname, and given Initials, are correct?
HTH/TIA
Resmoroh