BIGVERN, Hi,
Mni tks that pic out of the backend of Fat Albert towards the Phantoom. Brought back some memories. I was there 1982-86, and after the refuel Fat Albert used to go and hide (at very low level!!) in the hills, and the Phantoms had to come and find us!
Rgds
Resmoroh
Enough of this niff-naff and trivia!
Mods (a) bin this, and (b) snuff out – at birth – any attempt(s) to resurrect it.
We need detail in our researches, but not the arcane, and useless, details being offered on this thread. And I’m just a Met Man – not a lunatic aviator!
HT (does not) H
Resmoroh
Somebody, somewhere, must have a pic of a Phantom doing an airborne refuel from Fat Albert near RAF Stanley. The C-130 would stream the hose out the back end. It went out through some vast chunk of cast-iron that ensured it wound out properly, and wound back in properly. This chunk of cast-iron (or whatever) moved from side-to-side as the hose paid out – or was reeled back in. When the hose was out and the Phantom was having a drink, anybody from the Station staff – along for the Air Experience flight – could photograph the Phantom through the gaps in the paying-out/retrieve gear (sorry, I don’t know what it’s called – I’m just a Met Man). Whenever the Phantom Jock saw somebody aiming a camera at him out the back of the Herc he would just move the throttles a bit back – or forward! This resulted in the hose either paying out, or reeling in. In either case the cast iron block started moving from side-to-side. The photographer had to leap smartly out of the way. There were, consequently, mutual signals of a two-finger nature between photographer and Phantom Jock!
I had some good shots of this, but lost them in some domestic upheaval. Would like to be reminded of some good (but occasionally ‘hairy’) days.
TIA
Resmoroh
SVE Trial/Proj Scillonia
RPM,FF,TGT, Hi,
It would seem that these two were not the same thing. Proj Scillonia flights almost certainly mounted from St Mawgan. That’s where the boffins and the met satellite Rx were located; with the radar on St Mary’s a/f in the Scillies.
HTH
Resmoroh
Further to my last on Proj Scillonia. Pse accept Senior Moment for “late 90’s” to read “late 60’s/early 70’s”!!!!!!! Just a mere 30 yrs slip of the keyboard!!!!!!
Resmoroh
Let it not be forgotten that Argosy’s (or, at least, one) was involved in Project Scillonia. I was reminded of this by one of the previous posts referring to the Loadie (or whatever he was called in the late 90’s) chucking ‘things’ out the back whilst in flight.
Project Scillonia was an investigation into the behaviour, characteristics, and physics of Warm Fronts approaching the UK from the SW (v important to Met Persons!) The Met O boffins had asked us military operational types if they could ‘borrow’ an Argosy for some experiments!!!! We fell about, but went to see the AOC (AVM Mickey Martin – usually in pink braces and peering at you through half-moon brass glasses). We assumed he would tell us to poke off, in which case we had done our bit!! However, he said “Yes”!!! As OC Mob Met Unit (Wg Cdr John Hastings) departed from his office AOC said “John, don’t break one of my aeroplanes or I’ll take it out of your salary!”.
One Argosy had a plywood(?) bulkhead built just forrard of the aft doors. This bulkhead had a door in it giving access from the main freight compartment to the rear sill. The Argosy was coaxed/fought up to its highest possible ceiling somewhere SW of the Scilly Is. At this point the Loadie (wearing a walkabout Oxy pack) went through the ‘door’ and on the radio command chucked a drop-sonde off the back sill (drop-sonde was a device on a parachute whereby the pressure/temp/humidity could be measured and transmitted to a ground station as it fell through the atmosphere). The drop Sonde was also tracked in 3 dims by a radar on the Scilly Is. I was, at the same time, at St Mawgan with the Mob Met Unit met satellite receiver to record the overall met cloud pix.
Apparently the whole thing was a huge success! But I reckon if you tried to do the same thing today you’d do about 30 yrs (without the option) in some noisesome EU penitentiary. But good fun in those days!!
HTH
Resmoroh
All logics are, by definition, sound until proved otherwise either by superior logic(s) or by detailed observations (empirical or otherwise). It is, in most cases, not the logic that is at fault but the reasoned argument. This latter can be a very variable feast.
Will you lay odds that some WW2 aviation statistician is already calculating “casualties per a/c type”. Would make interesting reading to us lateral thinkers!!!!!!! (that is, of course, if you are willing to allow me to include you in any such category)!
HTH
Resmoroh
Logically, and using reasoned argument, it has to be the Lancaster. That a/c resulted in more aircrew casualties than practically all the rest put together.
HTH
Resmoroh
Have you ever tried to get a Hard-Top Long-Wheel-Base Landrover into the back of an Argosy at Driffield on a Dec night in 1969 (Ex FERNANDO). Can only be done by letting the vehicle tyres down.
Then, by the time we’d done that it was dark. No runway lights at Driffield in them days. Captain says “Position Mobile Met Unit Landrover at upwind end of take-off runway. Switch on headlights. I will steer towards you. When I flash my landing lights, get to hell off the end of the runway bl**dy quick!”.
It worked, else there would have been a big queue of us outside AOCs office the following Monday!!
The Argosy’s also did some experimental parachute work. Nice – when the grunts, or kit, had been chucked out the back end – to hear the Loady say in yr headset “Would you like a gammon steak on the way home?!!”.
Now that was a proper Air Force!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Darrell, Hi,
If you are concerned only with Commissioned ranks then Page 5588 (20 Sep 40) of the London Gazette might be a good place to start. Also, if you search the LG for Officers numbers in the 80016-80496, and 160016-160026, ranges you will find quite a lot of ’em were S Rhodesian. Could lead you to Pilots and Aircrew!
If you are also investigating non-Commissioned ranks then send me a PM, or email, and I can give you all the details of Rhodesian Enlistments from Wg Cdr Jim Routledge’s lists in The Orders and Medals Research Society publication of 1992. You can simply work out the numbers from the batches (but remember not all of ’em may have been issued).
HTH
Resmoroh
R33, Hi,
I’ve just sent you an email in response to yr req.
It’s ‘bounced back’. Try me on PeterWDavies01ATAOL.com (replace AT by the usual)
Resmoroh
I’ll bet it had a v long take-off run!!
OK – I’ll go now!!!
Resmoroh
BOAC Yorks
Is it true that BOAC used their Yorks on the ‘animal freight’ run in the mid-50’s? They were crewed (or so common scuttlebutt had it) by those who had transgressed the BOAC Rules at the ‘posher’ end of their operations and got sentenced to 3-months, or 6-months (depending on the severity of their crime(s)) flogging these Yorks from Africa to Europe. We had a number through El Adem at the time!
Resmoroh
Thank you, James,
I was beginning to think the same thing! The thread is showing distinct signs of a descent pattern being initiated! Was good while it lasted!
Resmoroh.
Dan, Hi,
If you want to give yr ‘Wheels’ some WW2 ground-crew authenticity just make sure there’s a half-eaten bully-beef sandwich, and an old, chipped, pint pot half-full of (cold!) NAAFI tea!
HTH
Resmoroh