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  • in reply to: WANTED Aerial Photographs of RAF Lissett circa 1945 #1255069
    Resmoroh
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    Phillip,
    The current GE images show a number of soil/crop marks in the area occupied by the former RAF Lissett. Some are clearly natural, but a number are clearly of human origin. You might try taking the GE image to the Archaeological Dept at yr local Uni. They should be able to advise on the most likely spots. Unless the stuff was very deeply buried then some evidence might be apparent on the surface by Field-Walking techniques.
    Other than that you might be into a Ground Penetrating Radar survey! If you don’t have access to those facilities then I’m sure “Time Team” would love to dig up a whole WW2 Airfield!
    HTH
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: Napier Lion in Sahara.. #1264160
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    The burning of wood around this a/c to melt any aluminium needs to be looked at quite carefully. As the photographs (and Google Earth) show there’s not a decent tree for miles. And those there are (and any other burnable vegetation) are highly prized by the “locals” for cooking, not aluminium smelting!! At least that was the case in the mid-50’s when I was sometimes in the general area! The preferred method, by the local Scrap Metal Boys, was to extract the explosive from the millions of land-mines (still!) in the “bundoo” and to blow the carcasses of tanks, aircraft, etc, into manageable chunks. These were then transported away on huge (Italian origin) diesel lorries. This was, as one may imagine, a highly dangerous business! Only the lucky few survived – but the price of scrap must have been good enough for them to undertake such a venture. Any signs of burning might, possibly, have come from fuel ignited after impact.
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: News crew gets too close to a Grumman Tracker #1284006
    Resmoroh
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    ZRX61, Hi,
    We’re not talking about Gott el Afrag, or other delectable places in Area F in Libya, are we? Sounds suspiciously like it to me? There was a lot of bundoo in those parts!!
    In UK (and elsewhere) me (the Met Man) and the DZ Safety Officer would stand at the IP and wait for the “stuff” to come down. The Paras rolled up their chutes and then walked to the IP counting their paces. When they got there the DZSO ticked them off on his safety sheet, and I noted their bearing and distance in yards. I then when back to the ranch and worked out what the Mean Equivalent Drop Wind had been. Then I compared it with what the Aircrews had been given by the Met Office(s) from the Mounting Base(s) – sneaky, Heh?!!
    But I have to tell you that at 0300 in the morning, a big dollop of Para Stew was the only thing that kept you going! For those of you not acquainted with Para Stew it is (a) eatable whilst warm (not hot, please note!!), (b) can be moulded, when cool/cold, into a putty that will keep icy blasts out of a decrepit tin hut on Salisbury Plain on a mid-December night, and (c) – if all else fails – can be sawn into chunks and thrown at the ‘enemy’. A VERY LARGE RC Padre, who had dropped with his ‘boys’ one night, was of the opinion that throwing chunks of cold Para Stew at the enemy might, possibly, be outlawed under the Geneva Convention!!
    HTH
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: News crew gets too close to a Grumman Tracker #1284214
    Resmoroh
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    The safest places on a Para DZ are the centre Impact Points (IP) – the Alpha (for personnel), or the Juliet (for stores)! In 5 years recording (and subsequently researching) drops and drop winds I never knew anyone/anything actually hit the IP! Although some came bl***y close!
    HTH
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: Akrotiri U2 accident on 7 December 1977 #1284228
    Resmoroh
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    I was in contact, a month or so ago, with a chap (on an entirely different matter) who was in Met Office (UK) Human Resources at the time of the accident, and who had to do lot of the Admin “clearing up”. He knew of our interest in researching the Met Off Roll of Honour and suggested that I keep a beady eye open for Files released from NA as there would be “something interesting” when the Akrotiri Prang Report was released.
    So there must be a Report – and it hasn’t been released!
    Looks like a long flog through the FOI jungle with MoD? Oh dear! I should live so long!
    HTH
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: Aerodrome Buildings – PLANS WANTED #1287511
    Resmoroh
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    Phillip,
    You may have to try to find where the Air Ministry Works Department (AMWD) left all their Plans. Probably to the Ministry of Public Buildings & Works (MPBW)
    Alternatively, if you can find places where identical buildings are still in use then the current Defence Estates should(!!!) have the Plans. Can’t help with the Barrack Block, or the AMQ, but RAF Benson has an Officer’s Mess suspiciously like yr foto.
    Good luck!
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: Aerodrome Buildings – PLANS WANTED #1287838
    Resmoroh
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    Phillip,
    RAFM at Hendon has many of the Building Plans. Last time I was chasing some Airfield Plans there they were very helpful – especially as you have the Drawing Numbers.
    HTH
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: The Weather over the Target #1288739
    Resmoroh
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    Bombing Weather

    To answer Blue Robin’s questions:
    Pigeons – almost never.
    Radio – quite a lot. Decrypting German and Italian Met Reports and Forecasts was a significant part of the work at Bletchley. Indeed, it was decrypting these messages (in an Enigma code Bletchley could read) and comparing the same messages re-broadcast by the Germans in the U-Boat code which was one of the methods whereby the U-Boat code was finally ‘cracked’.
    Spies – unlikely.
    Resistance – possible, but their reports were irregular and the quality highly variable!

    To over-simplify the process, forecasting consists of taking a snap-shot of the weather (the Actuals, Reports, etc). This is the Analysis. Then do the same thing 6, 12, or 24 hrs later. From these two charts it is possible to work out how fast, say, a Low is moving, and in which direction. Take that movement and/or development into the future time and you have a Forecast. The same system is in use today – but now done by computer. In WW2 it was all done on paper charts with pencil and rubber (LOTS of rubber!).
    This was fine in forecasting for a bombing raid over Germany if the Low was moving from west to east. The weather that had occurred in the UK would, in X or Y hours, be over Germany. However, if the weather system was moving N/S, or S/N, in what the Met Men call a “data-sparse” area (German occupied Europe) then the forecasters had little idea of what had actually occurred, let alone forecast what it might do. This, as has been pointed out, sometimes resulted in serious errors (particularly in the route and bombing height winds), with consequent casualties. Forecasting in WW2 was – again, as has been said – an Art Form. Today it is more of a Science (but yet to reach 100% accuracy!!!!)
    Routine daily Atlantic Met Recce flights were NEVER routed over enemy territory. Special Met Flights – in connection with a particular Operation – WERE routed over enemy territory.
    What bombing cloud conditions were required varied (and I am not an expert). At the beginning of WW2 the RAF could not, at night, navigate to the target with any degree of accuracy (read the Butt Report!). Later in the war with radio aids (H2S, OBOE, etc) it would be possible to bomb, with some accuracy, through 8/8ths undercast.
    It was (and is!) a big problem. Some of the WW2 RAF raid “errors” are still being researched today.
    HTH
    Resmoroh (ex-Met Office)

    in reply to: 50 years old in 2008 #1329927
    Resmoroh
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    It might also be worthy of note that the papers on the U2 prang at Akrotiri (8 Dec 77) are due to be released by the National Archives under the 30-year Rule in Jan 08. If they aren’t then the conspiracy theorists will have a field day!
    Yrs Aye
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: Accident Report Published on Duxford-based T-33 #1245574
    Resmoroh
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    Thanks for all the comments. They are much as expected. However, someone, somewhere, and at some time, has to look through the other end of the telescope. What might be “good stuff” today might not be seen as “good stuff” in the future. “We”, having dug up a Roman Chariot, do not use that artefact for experimental tests. “We” build a replica, and do the tests with that. (And as an aside, “rock scratching” is just as hard a problem as restoring a Lightning QRA Shed, etc, etc).
    I’m sorry if I have caused consternation amongst the Warbird fraternity, but the NOW is not important, the FUTURE is.
    If any of you want to progress this argument further, then I would suggest that you send me PMs. There is clearly a difference of opinion as to which way this should go.
    You have allowed me my shout – for which I thank you. T’is only fair that you should have your shout – unless, of course – you feel that whatever aeronautical archaeological remains (airworthy or not) should be hammered into the ground (and I use my words advisedly!) regardless of the interests of generations to come!
    Je reste ma valise.
    Yrs Aye
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: Accident Report Published on Duxford-based T-33 #1246252
    Resmoroh
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    At the risk of enraging and/or alienating ALL the warbirds fraternity, I was taught during my Archaeological degree course that you do not carry out modern experiments with the real archaeological artefacts. You do it with reproductions – in order to prove (or disprove) a point.
    What, I might ask, are the aviation archaeologists/historians in 50, or 100 years, from now going to do when they find that these VITAL relics were pranged just for some “Airshow”. Not good enough!
    If there is not enough money to build reproductions, then “Tough”. The Rebuilders/Restorers of recovered airframes are to be congratulated for the hard work (and cash) they put into their endeavours – but do not hazard the existing airframes.
    Sorry if no more Merlins howling over Dux but you have a duty to the future to preserve the existing – not just to exploit it for the present.
    There now, I’ve had my two-pennorth. I’d be surprised if anyone on this Board feels the same – but, we can (for the moment, at least) voice our (my!) concerns without fear or favour!
    I would love to see Beverleys, Shacks, Argosys, trolling about over S UK. But it seems to be all about the Figher Breed. Toys For the Boys. Needs to be a smidgen of historical realism. Even the upsidedown pic on Ebay is part of the historical record!!
    Respects to all, and their opinons. But you must, thereby, allow me mine!
    Rgds
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: RAF Akrotiri Museum #1248835
    Resmoroh
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    Akrotiri & the U2

    It’s just about 30 years since the U2 accident at Akrotiri. Be interesting to see what stuff (if any?) gets released by UK TNA under the 30-yr rule. Apart from some of our Met guys getting killed there have been many, and all sorts, of “stories”, “scuttlebutt”, and “I was there anecdotes”! Be fascinating to see if any of those tie up with might be released by TNA as a reasonable approximation to what ‘really happened’!
    Here’s hoping
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: The RAF in The Far East #1257152
    Resmoroh
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    Don’t forget the “pirates” in 224 Group (the FEAF equivalent of 38 Group in UK). And the gigantiferous combined Exercise Square Hole! Some stories to be told there!
    HTH, Rgds
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: MIRA Nuneaton #1268424
    Resmoroh
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    Willis & Hollis quote RAF Bramcote (with satellites at Nuneaton and Bitteswell) as being the home(s) of:-
    105 (Transport) OTU – Wellingtons
    1513 BAT Flight – Oxfords
    5132 Bomb Disposal Sqn
    6211 Bomb Disposal Flight
    all as at Dec 1944
    HTH
    Resmoroh

    in reply to: MIRA Nuneaton #1268607
    Resmoroh
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    RAF Nuneaton – in 44 Gp of Transport Command as at Dec 44 as an OTU
    HTH
    Resmoroh

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